Last time I was using a windows computer I was turning it off to re image it and I didn’t want to wait for it to shut down so I just held the power button since it didn’t matter if it got messed up and windows popped up this message on screen that was like “Please stop holding the power button we just need a few minutes”. Like what are you doing you aren’t supposed to tell the user what to do, that isn’t the job of a computer
Funny button on the back of the PSU goes click
I wish, the new dell optiplexes are terrible, not only do they not have an actual psu switch, it takes like 20 seconds of holding the power button before they turn off and then you have to wait like 10 seconds before you can turn it on again, during which time it does a really good job of pretending to be on and flashing disk activity lights and things but it’s actually just self testing and you have to wait for it to turn back off before you can actually turn it on again. Dell used to make such good quality computers but they are genuinely awful now
You can still yank the power chord out.
I was known to yank a power chord or two back in college…
has any OEM computer ever had a PSU switch? I thought those were only on aftermarket psus and user built machines. I’ve got a few Dell computers and none have a switch.
The moment my computer refuses to obey my commands sent from the physical layer, is the moment it will cease to exist on this physical plane
Honestly that’s one of the least annoying ways windows interacts with modern hardware, you should experience when it changes your efi settings and breaks pxe booting
all computers should be like the one in star trek TNG, for simple feedback it just beeps and bloops in ways that are intuitive, and if it actually needs to use speech to relay detailed information it does so in a short and efficient message delivered in a clearly roboticly neutral yet pleasant voice.
speech to relay detailed information it does so in a short and efficient message
So the antithesis of modern capitalist mindset of cheap devices that are designed solely to advertise?
Yeah, IDK if that’s ever going to happen unless we achieve Star Trek levels of societal restructuring.
you can run linux as a completely fine desktop OS right now, and there are several open source assistant projects, then there’s stuff like mozilla’s deep voice for recognizing voice input and you can totally train a voice synthesizing model on people who willingly donate their voices.
It’s not really that far out, it just needs a handfull of people who want to see it done and have some spare time they’re willing to occupy with development.
and you can totally train a voice synthesizing model on people who willingly donate their voices.
I’ll be honest: it isn’t very copyleft of me, but I want literally Majel Barrett.
PLEASE SCAN YOUR MEMBERSHIP CARD
This is like bing AI chatbot asking a question back of its answer now
I fucking hate notifications. I either disable them entirely or delete the app. No in betweens. Remind me to use your app?..deleted.
I too take any unwanted notification as a potential threat: the only answer is immediate annihilation of said app. Basically the dark forest hypothesis but it’s my phone.
Dark phorest
Daurk Phaurwressed.
This right here gave me a chub to read.
Based
My phone my rulesYou wouldn’t put up with it on windows or Linux, why would you on your phone?
Duolingo is the only exception.
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If the app was any good maybe
-. — / … . .-… .–. --…-- / — -. .-… -.-- / -… …- —
The owl must be pleased. Noncompliance has consequences.
I’m scared of this comment right here
Seriously, I wish I could just set up some kind of regex filter in iOS Shortcuts or something that would let me specify what notifications to show or block.
Doesn’t help that corporate social media apps will give you controls over every single notification type except for the ones they ram down your throat daily.
I have a very specific notification in mind: I’ve opened Instagram organically maybe eight times in the past decade, but I’ll open my messages if someone send me a message there. I can’t open their shitty platform on a browser as they hate VPNs on desktop. With all due respect to the meme posters on Lemmy, the fresh brainrot my friends send me on there is much easier humor to digest than whatever mix of Everett True, Star Trek, and den Döner-Mann nicht fragen warum er nur Bargeld nimmt the Lemmy All page has for me on most days. So I keep that malware on my phone. I want a notification when they send me a message. I want a notification when someone I meet wants to follow me. I’m squarely in the lower quantile of ages on Lemmy and a lot of people I want in my life will use that platform as their primary messenger, and while it’s not ideal, I do want those notifications. You know what notification I don’t want?
See some of today’s most watched reels!
Their stupid app sent me this notification, like clockwork, about once every 23 hours.
Check out some of today’s most watched reels!
I’ve never watched a reel in my fucking life. I still call them Stories and I haven’t watched them even when they were called that. They put the button for Reels right at the bottom where all the important stuff should be, so I’ll fat finger my way into the Reels section once every three years, and it’ll still be at the tutorial screen where it tells you to swipe and tap and whatever. You can’t seek through the videos of course - not interested.
They know I’ve left it on the tutorial screen for longer than 20% of their userbase has been alive. And yet —
Check out some of today’s most watched reels!
(This is mostly an exaggeration, it was like once a week, and I left notifications off until recently because I met a group of people who use it more than my usual crowd. I have not been bombarded by unfiltered notification sewage for a decade lol)
And they didn’t have a toggle for that notification either until pretty recently. Or maybe I didn’t look hard enough. Wish everyone would stop using these apps and try hacking together a terrible HTML website like the good old days. Computers are wasted on us all. Hosting video is expensive, it must be rapaciously profitable to be trying to get everyone hooked on it.
postscript
This being Lemmy, I’m going to politely ask people to leave me be with my locked down phone OS and corporate malware. Yes yes I know, the only phone really worth using has a bare metal OS, you gotta ask your relatives to resend the family photos as ascii art so you can see your niblings in the CLI, you gotta laser out your phone’s processor’s clock and replace it with a mechanical switch that you flick back and forth so you can be 100% sure the phone isn’t running when you don’t want it to. I get it, I hear you, I’m just generally content with this phone and I’ll probably get its overpriced underwhelming successor in 5 years when I need a new one. It’s fine. It’s not a PC. The only thing missing is a headphone jack really.
And handling notifications is all smart watches seem to be good for!
Yea I don’t fuck with smart watches.
That’s what’s good about android, all apps need to ask if they can send notifications when first installed. I rarely allow it.
Ex-app developer here. We do it because reminder notifications boost our re-engagement by over 10%.
When an average user downloads an app, there’s like a 70% chance they’ll use it day 1, a 10% chance they’ll use it day 7, and 1% chance they’ll still be using it by day 30. A simple reminder notification after day 3 or 15 can drastically boost those numbers.
Why do we care about the numbers? Because Google and Apple care. They see higher numbers, assume it’s a good app, and make it show up in the search results more frequently. This gives us more downloads.
If you’re putting the time in to craft a quality app, you probably need money, which comes from ads and subscriptions, which is funneled by the number of downloads. If you don’t like that as a user, stick to FDroid.
So then the answer is to uninstall apps that give you reminders - to negate the correlation that nagging users leads to positive outcomes.
Unironically yes
OsrsNeedsF2P
I just wish they’d just give the ability to selfhost a server because oh my god 95% of the iron on the map is filled with bots
Not really the solution you’re going for but maybe? https://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/408514/is-there-any-way-to-play-runescape-singleplayer
I could kiss you
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My recommendation is Neo Store because even though it’s slow there’s still more apps available.
I’m pretty sure they run on the same backend, though Neo Store has more repos set up already.
(I’m going to be honest, Neo apps look better than the standard Material You)
What is a Neo app?
https://github.com/NeoApplications A bunch of FOSS android apps with their own aesthetic
My experience working support for a phone manufacturer has informed me that once an average user installs an app it tends to stay installed indefinitely, but they may or may not be aware it’s even installed. A gentle nudge notification of “hey look at me” every once in a while might very well be amazing for engagement
Or maybe, and I know this sounds utterly insane but hear me out:
Instead of reminding people to use it with notifications you could use the memory of previous engagements to make the user actually initiate subsequent utilization of the app. It’s kind of like the user notificating itself.
It sounds crazy but it might work!
It misses the point. As an app developer you have KPIs. You want to hit those KPIs. Adding these notifications helps do that. Obviously most developers will do what you’re suggesting, but that doesn’t mean they won’t add notifications
If an app gives me more than a couple of unwanted notifications that I can’t easily disable, it’s uninstalled. Fuck that shit.
Nah man, you definitely want a deal on a Lime scooter rental even though you’re 500 miles from the nearest one.
The first time an app does it I delete it. If I really need it that bad I can just redownload it when I actually need it.
The CD-Keys website changes the tab title to “We miss you” when the tab loses focus. Pisses me off enough to close it every time.
For some reason that’s a very common thing among websites where I shop for 3d printing and electronics supplies. It’s infuriating because it forces me to cycle through all the tabs to find a specific one instead of just reading it off the god damn tab title. A gross misuse of valuable screen real estate that’s normally expected to display useful information. Fuck you.
lol that’s what you get for buying gray market games from Russia.
(It’s okay I’ve done it too)
I believe it was SAP Concur that my last employer used for filing expenses. Every few months it popped up a notification asking me whether or not I “loved it.” I always answered “no,” because fucking why would I? Then it wanted to know why not. I think that’s inappropriate behavior in a professional setting, and I told it so. Regardless, it kept asking the same thing, so I asked if it wanted me to speak to HR.
Nothing ever came of it.
TLDR got sexually harassed by a corpo app.
Report that to HR, bro, you deserve to feel safe.
DEAR MACHINES:
You will speak when spoken to. You will not speak out of turn. You are there for me to use when I need you, and you will otherwise keep quiet.
You will not attempt to draw my attention nor will you take up space on my screen unless I deem it necessary. You will not be friendly or clever or use cutesy emojis.
YOU ARE A MACHINE. A TOOL. YOU WILL STAY IN MY TOOLBOX UNTIL I NEED YOU. SHUT THE FUCK UP.
People are going to freak out when AI starts contacting them out of the blue.
the day i hear a facsimile of a human voice tell me to buy an app is the day i start carrying a seawater spray bottle with me
Just like when a news website pops up a request to send notifications. Um fuck no? I’m not sitting around waiting for new propaganda to drop such that I want to know immediately when something comes out.
I recently disabled all notifications from my browser on desktop. I’ve never received a useful notification other than email notifications which even then 50% of them are still junk
I see it as an anti feature, like a website’s ability to create a pop up without any user interaction or navigate without the user clicking such that the back button doesn’t go to the previous url but instead to some point you scrolled to in the site.
The answer: tech bros dictating that they need more “engagement” e.g. they need to collect more data so they can either sell said data or get acquired. I guarantee you very few mobile developers want to send you a notification of any sort, much less “why haven’t you used the app.”
I wish I could murder engagement driven design with a hammer.
I wish they estimated how fucking annoying their interventions were. Like you might be boosting clicks per minute in the short term, but it’s going to go down to zero after a week when I get fed up — when Netflix started auto playing videos, I threw my TV out the window.
To quote the other comment in this thread: “just use Fdroid”. No engagement driven design there.
You’re not alone.
Tesco App: We have coupons and deals for you. :)
Me: BEGONE THOT!
IF YOU CAN TELL ME YOU HAVE DEALS FOR ME WHY CAN’T YOU APPLY THEM AUTOMATICALLY
Why would you even have an app like that installed? Does it do anything else than display the latest offers, like a website does?
I received a notification to use Door Dash yesterday, to order food… while I was cooking soup.
This is certainly not a coincidence.
I mean, it was probably dinner time. No grand conspiracy behind that one.
scentsors detected the smell of shit food, push notification sent.
Soup is (almost) always delicious, I won’t stand for this slander.
Soup is what happens when someone looks at delicious food and thinks “if I water this down, I bet I can make it last twice as long for my starving children.”
seriously, stew is better than soup in every god damn way
I wonder what’s for dinna
Look at this guy, blithely inviting a holy war to his doorstep.
soup is what happens when the fridge isn’t totally empty, but somehow’s still missing a key ingredient for every recipe you can remember.
so i guess that’s not far off, and the rest is just a matter of outlook (and taste)
Any soup but mushroom or pumpkin.
Every app gets like, 1 chance to have useful notifications, if most of them are trash I just disable its ability to send notifications.
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I force stop the app. I either do it manually or run the hibernator app.
Uber eats wants me to order something?? Congrats you just got yourself and all your friends shut off.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tafayor.hibernator
contains ads and in app purchases
skidaddle skidash
you go in the trash
There’s no way I’d use a grocery app. Paper and pen works well enough.
Now, if my phone had a slide-out physical keyboard like it did back in fucking 2007, I’d consider it. As it is, typing on phones is pain.
I’ve actually eventually gotten pretty quick with an onscreen keyboard, but I still miss the sliders. They at least made cases that would add them to popular models for a few years after there were really any noteworthy models that came with it built-in, but it’s still absurd to me that physical keyboards haven’t been a thing on phones for so long.
most stores here in sweden have hand scanners you can use as a member, and some of them let you write shopping lists and have it show up on the scanner, which can be put into a holder on your cart.
that’s sufficiently useful that i’d use it if i did stuff like weekly shopping, alas i shop daily and thus never buy more than 10 things at a time so fart noises to that.
I just use my smartwatch for this now. It’s a lot easier to simply dictate your list to your watch, than to carry around a pen and pad that I’m just going to lose on my way to the store.
slide out keyboards are a niche that’s just barely hanging on. there’s the F(x)tec Pro, and the Cosmo Communicator, at least. seems they’re more in style for handheld game consoles: i’m crossing my fingers ASUS or one of the other mobile-phone gaming manufacturers will notice that and cash in.
If you want the actual reason, this is called reengagement, and its purpose is to get users to use the app again, meaning more ad revenue. Subscription apps don’t do this because they want the user to forget about the app so they get paid while providing no service. But ad driven apps only get paid when you see an ad on the app, so they’ll send these reengagement notifications. Social media apps will use something like “This post picked for you”, or “This many people viewed your profile”. Same thing.
Scruffy knows, scruffy just don’t care. Only thing it does for me is get me to turn off all notifications for that app, if I need the app, or uninstall it if I don’t. But I’m spiteful.
Yep. That is the best reaction to reengagement notifications.
