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All dogs are animals, not all animals are dogs.
Speak for yourself.
All dogs are boys and all cats are girls
A fellow man/woman/homeslice of culture I see.
If X, then Y does not mean or imply if Y, then X.
Your problem is that you haven’t met me.
A member of my extended family loves Tesla and SpaceX and thinks Musk is a genius. It’s frustrating because he’s a very smart, generous, and chill family member…but then there’s his Musk fan boy thing. I do my best to ignore it and focus on his good traits.
It’s easy to forget that Musk was seen as an “IRL” iron man not that long ago. He was buying tech companies, taking credit for their accomplishments, and making seemingly credible promises of colonizing Mars in the near future.
It all went to shit with Twitter. Musk exposed himself as a guy born with the silverest of silver spoons who failed upward all his life on the backs of the work of his betters who he never paid properly. That’s where all the extra money came from.
ehh, he exposed himself earlier. I was a huge fan until the whole “accusing the diver of being a pedo because of how he looked”, and from there Musk went downhill, quickly.
Glad someone else remembers this, all because ppl didn’t like his “personal mini sub for every one of the trapped children” idea…meanwhile the guy he insulted literally saved every single one of them one by one.
There actually were brave men who saved the kids for real, none of which were involved in any way with the childish Musk name calling BS. Those men’s names are John Volanthen, Richard Stanton, Jason Mallinson, Chris Jewell, Richard Harris, and Craig Challen and they are heros and they don’t deserve to have their bravery credited to anyone else no matter how childish some random billionaire is.
That was basically the first hint I saw of what a dipshit Musk is/was, just because the guy criticized his water coffin idea. Before that though, I knew virtually nothing about Musk apart from Iron Man and whatever random news pieces were getting pushed out. He smoked weed! He made a flamethrower! They shot a car into space! The letters for the cars spell S3XY! In retrospect though and knowing what we know about him now, it just shows what an immature child he is.
Yeah that was the first time I had to do a second glance at one of his comments. The scuba thing really sent him down a dark path lol
A huge fan of government sunsidies, or false promises? He did manage to hire engineers to save him in some cases
Reminds me of Jobs and Wozniak. Jobs was a toxic jerk who was very good at taking credit for the genius of Wozniak and others. Jobs had some brains and talent, but he was mostly just a whip cracker and ruthless self promoter. His pedestal has always annoyed me. Musk is similar and probably worse.
Definitely worse. Jobs is dead, Musk is not.
One of the many truths we’ve really learned over the past few years is that it’s easier to con someone than it is to convince them they’ve been conned. In fact, it’s easier to keep conning them, over and over, than it is to convince them they’ve been conned. That’s what Musk does. That’s what Trump does. They also benefit from the tendency of people to believe there’s a close association between material success and ability, or success and intelligence, or success and moral standing. It’s a modernized version of the divine right of kings.
I don’t think the analogy to Jobs is great though. I never knew Jobs, but I know several people who knew him and worked with him. The consensus opinion among them seems to be that Jobs had a dysfunction like a lot of people in the industry do. He had poor control over a relatively short temper. He was also aware of it and worked to overcome it, but like we know about people with cognitive dysfunctions, it’s not something you can just will your way out of. We depend on our brains to tell us when something is going wrong, and so when the brain is the thing that’s going wrong, it can be pretty bad at that job.
What Jobs did have was an intuitive grasp of the relationship between a person and technology. He saw that there was more to it than a beige box that people worked or played on. He saw a way of creating an impression of a personal connection between a person and a personalizable but inanimate object in a way that few people have achieved before or since. Yes, Jobs could be a whole bag of dicks, but from all accounts that’s when he was at his least effective.
But at the end of the day, before Jobs was hired back as CEO to rescue Apple, things had gone to shit because they had started to think of themselves as just a computer manufacturer. There was no vision for an iMac, an iPod, or an iPhone. He got it wrong sometimes, too. The Lisa was as big a disaster as the Edsel. Ping was a disaster. The original Maps was a disaster. The job of the CEO - Jobs’ job if you will - is to provide vision and direction, and to get it right.
That wasn’t what Woz was good at. He is intelligent and a creative thinker. He is a tinkerer and a hacker. He can be a bit of a tech bro, but he has a genuine love for technology and understanding. I hope he fully recovers from his recent minor stroke and that they can take measures to prevent any sequelae.
That was longer than I intended. The short version is that Jobs was more like Miranda Priestly from the Devil Wears Prada and Musk is more like Michael Scott would be if he had a couple of hundred billion dollars but lacked the moral framework that made his character likable.
I appreciate the thoughtful reply. I’m not saying Jobs deserves zero credit. Woz himself respected the man, so who am I to disagree. As you pointed out, he had some visionary traits. I just think he’s highly overrated, and his contributions, while significant, could have been provided by many others. He just wasn’t the magic unicorn he was lauded as, IMO.
Comparing Musk to a billionaire Michael Scott is gold. And I agree with the point that Jobs was smart and Musk is a dumbass.
divine right of kings.
Now if only there was a shred of regard for rajadharma to go along with it… :(
One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.
Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
Jobs’ biggest sin in terms of the public was charging too much for Apple products. Musk has done a lot worse.
You can appreciate what the actual talent at Tesla and SpaceX have accomplished while still seeing Musk as a horrible person. It’s just too bad supporting either company puts money in his pocket.
Yeah musk has very little to do with the accomplishments of Tesla or SpaceX. He provides the money. It’s the incredibly skilled workers of said companies that are making things happen. We can absolutely champion removing musk from every position he holds while pushing forward the ideas that space exploration and EVs are good things.
At the same time, we should push for:
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space exploration to be about the search for knowledge and for making a better life for all of humanity based on the resources available in space, instead of building off-planet bunkers for billionaires once their climate change profits run out of steam
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EVs to be efficient, affordable to everyone, and generally more environmentally friendly than any fossil fuel vehicle. This will require significant research into battery technology and production processes. Time for car manufacturers to start spending all those profits they have. The strikes are a good start
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X/Twitter to fail. No bailouts, no buyouts. Let elon lose the 40 Billion he spent on it. For those that supposedly champion capitalism, this should be a win win in demonstrating what the market does when you are no longer competitive.
We can absolutely champion removing musk from every position he holds
The only way to do that is to buy more shares than Elon owns. Let’s buy more stocks and usurp him!
For those that supposedly champion capitalism, this should be a win win in demonstrating what the market does when you are no longer competitive.
Yes, absolutely. Unfortunately it’s quite traditional only to tolerate markets as long as we’re happy with their behavior. The moment a market starts worrying or upsetting us is never “oh man, maybe this ‘markets’ thing isn’t all it’s cracked up to be”, it’s “obviously some regulation or policy is ruining this market, or it would never do this thing i don’t like”.
So we’re stuck with the lose-lose-lose of:
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keeping markets, their volatility, and all the shit that comes with that
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giving up the fringe benefit of markets redistributing wealth when they collapse
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denying anyone a chance to see clearly what it means to trust markets to manage our economy for us.
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Spacex is tough… Musk can choke on a bag of dicks but spacex is doing some cool stuff that I’m excited about, but I’ve always been a space and rocket nerd.
See that’s my problem with all this. SpaceX and Tesla aren’t successful because of Elon Musk. they are successful in spite of Elon Musk.
Elon Musk just puts money in big things. Elon Musk only cares about Elon Musk. Not even money. Elon Musk cares more about Elon Musk than money.
First competitor to Public sector contracts for space flight? Elon Musk can see Elon Musks name on it. First mass produced electric car on the road and in garages? Elon Musk gets to see Elon Musk associated with it. Twitter? Elon Musk gets to be famous even more for tanking a $44b social media company with little to no effort.
Elon Musk gets to be famous even more for tanking a $44b social media company with little to no effort.
I disagree. Elon put a lot of effort into tanking Twitter. All he had to do to keep it from tanking (as bad as it did) was make no effort.
I have a coworker like this. He’s always been a big fan of Joe Rogan, which was simply a harmless hobby five years ago, but now means that he gets sucked into some very dangerous ideas. He’s a great guy to work with though.
I had an old coworker try and convince me I didn’t need high blood pressure meds because of Rogan. “You just need to exercise and take vitamins”. Yea. I’m going to listen to a podcaster more than my personal doctor that has examined me sixteen million times.
They aren’t wrong that these things can help. But there are other people just prone to things and need extra assistance.
Is it possible they’re actually really into the science, or is it unmistakably fanboyism?
I question this too. I love SpaceX, and Tesla has definitely made great progress. In just a few years spacex has made scientific revolutions that would take NASA and ESA decades. Don’t get me wrong, I hate the capitalism part. They definitely need government controls and incentives to keep “enshitification” for profit at bay. But the company seems to be doing a positive good so far, without a doubt. That said, I hate Elon Musk as a person. He pours money into great ideas, but only because he’s a narcissist who wants to see his name on it. SpaceX has prospered in spite of him.
There are so many people that just don’t keep up with the news or are in a bubble so they don’t see any other perspectives. And I get that. It’s really hard to escape the bubble.
Assuming they regularly use the English-language internet, I feel like it’s less they don’t keep up with it and more they’re willfully blind to it. They would have to either go out of their way to avoid it or assume every article that casts him in a bad light is from jealous competitors in industries he’s iNnOvAtInG in.
I don’t give a shit about Musk at all and have never actually seeked out news about him yet it’s basically impossible to not see headlines about his latest bullshit antic if you’re just casually on the English speaking internet, so I really doubt there are that many people who are just “out of the loop” unless they’re not a native English speaker or rarely use the internet at all.
Normal people used to like Elon. Then he made a cave submarine and was made to look foolish and the mask slipped.
I started off with immense respect for Tesla succeeding in delivering a mainstream electric car, and SpaceX delivering on successful commercial space flight. Finally, I thought. A rich billionaire who might actually be doing good.
Then the paedo cave thing happened. Ok. Guy can’t take criticism. That comment as uncalled for.
Now? Holy shit. The guy is a full on racist, anti trans, misogynist, white supremacist, conspiracy peddling whack a doodle.
racist, anti trans, misogynist, white supremacist,
You seem surprised that a South African would be like this 😂😂
I gave him the benefit of doubt because he fucking hated living in South Africa… apparently it had more to do with living with his dad, then the apartheid.
I’m aware that there are nice people from South Africa, but every single South African I’ve ever met has been absolutely horrendous.
I think they’ve all started to be racist within about half an hour of meeting them, which I don’t get because I didn’t even bring the topic up, they did. So they actually go out of their way to be racist when there isn’t anyone around them to trigger the behaviour. They do it like they’re just talking about the weather or making some other small talk.
Even the Japanese are not that bad. Although they’re pretty awful too.
And every south african I have ever met was as racist or not as racist as every other person I met in my country.
If you met 10 racist south africans doesn’t mean all south africans are racist. This thought leads to… racism.
Even the Japanese are not that bad. Although they’re pretty awful too.
Maybe you meet that many racists because you are one yourself. But what do I know, I am german, we don’t have humor.
Well to defend my honour a little. You know, because you called me a racist for no reason.
I worked in a role where I went all over the world (mostly to South Africa though) and I was dealing with rich business owners and CEO, CFOs etc (all men too) and their various assistants. If I’d met on the street people maybe it would be difficult but the only other South Africans I met were retail staff and we didn’t get to talking much.
Also it was way the hell more then 10 people. My company had to have an unofficial policy not only sending Caucasians because they were the only ones thes businesses they’s would deal with. It had nothing to do with their ability, it was just they couldn’t get the racists to deal with them.
The same was true of the Japanese, but at least they were polite about it.
I haven’t been back since COVID, but I can’t imagine it’s changed much.
I am confused. Wouldn’t you call it racism when I say “All russians smell bad” or “All white people walk funny”? I thought I checked all the boxes with that: I ascribe (in a negative way) a fact to a group of people, who in fact, don’t all smell bad. So for me is saying “All south africans are racists” and “All Japanese people are too, but slightly better” in fact, racism.
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Well I try and give everyone the benefit of the doubt first. I just didn’t see it until he let loose on Twitter.
Spitting Image called it in the 80s
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=l9dmoT9AfoI&si=cTGVAqI-KHJWTLUP
Why is that xenophobic comment upvoted? I feel like Musk brings the worst of everyone.
You might think you’re making the world a better place by being offended by everything on everyone’s behalf, but you’re just making it more boring
Replace South African with Black or Jewish, groups people here are more aware of here. How does it sound? If it sounds bad. Then maybe you shouldn’t apply it either to any other origin.
If it doesn’t sound bad, then you are intolerant.
So yes, I am happy to argue against such comments to make the world better.
But I am optimistic, so I believe it’s just a lack of awareness.Am I boring because I should have known it is actually a joke? If so, would you make such jokes against Black people?
Remember that Musk didn’t create Tesla, he bought Tesla and made it worse.
He wasn’t just made to look foolish, he called the lead cave rescuer a pedophile just and only because the guy didn’t wanted to use his insane contraption.
Also, that wasn’t the first time. The asshole was fired for incompetence before and only became rich because of shares he had in the company that got bought out. Anything good he’s ever done is the work or ideas of others. Anything else is just utter shit.
Hyperloop, anyone? I remember reading in the 80’s about how dumb of an idea that was, and in sure he got it from older articles as the first ideas were from the beginning of the 1900’s, but he basically popped that idea because he was against high speed rail in LA. You can basically -in part- thank Musk for not having good rail in LA. Meanwhile, china built out a huge rail system because well, at least dictatorships are good for something, I guess.
Do I need to talk about Twitter at all? Bought it for twice the value, and brought it’s actual value to 50% within a year. Fired thousands of people for no reason, including loads of business critical employers. Rent on his Twitter loans are due soon, hope you have a billion dollar laying around somewhere asshole!
The guy is a black mark on humanity and I can’t wait for the day to see him being bankrupt and having to live in a shitty small house, he deserves it.
The Hyperloop thing is more complicated and more like an elaborate plan. It was a way to distract California lawmakers from a high-speed rail project, in order to sell more Teslas.
I’ll have you know I was sick of him before it was cool 😤
Is this Seth Meyers writer?
Hard to recognize him without a tank top
I had the same thought, and like you I have no intention of looking it up, lol.
Looks like it
I feel like 80 percent of the internet revolves around bullying other people while somehow insisting you have the moral high ground.
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The responses are proving my point.
He’s not calling out Elon. He’s calling anyone who likes Elon a massive loser. Dude’s an asshole.
I think there’s a difference between bullying and calling out asshole behaviour.
Elon Musk is fair game because he’s a total twat to everyone around him. If he was nice to everyone it would be a different matter.
He could be nice to everyone, it’s totally possible, he’d still be rich as hell his asshole behaviour did not make him rich, it isn’t an excuse and it isn’t a requirement.
I was going to say maybe he’d be less rich cuz a big problem with asshole behavior is greed and not paying a living wage and hoarding BUT then in not being an asshole he’d also be using up less money irresponsibly to hurt and annoy others.
He was rich anyway though. If he actually gets starship to work (and he will because basically the hard part has been solved it now just needs scaling) he will be the richest human alive he doesn’t need to be an asshole to do that.
However I do think that Tesla is a bit of a boondoggle at this point, there are better electric cars out there now. But they change the industry they forced the industry to develop electric vehicles because they otherwise wouldn’t have done.
If he actually gets starship to work
More like:
If his skilled engineers make a breakthrough in…
If someone makes the discovery, Elon buys it, and then claims he invent it.
He isn’t calling out Elon Musk. He’s calling anyone who likes Elon a loser.
That’s asshole behavior, and I’m willing to bet that he justifies it by claiming that everyone he’s targeting is morally inferior and deserves to be ridiculed.
To be fair to him, loads of Elon followers are rather dickish in their behavior, anything to defend Elon. That brings me to point two: anyone who defended an incompetent asshole just because he managed to get rich, is an idiot and an asshole himself.
Elon is incompetent as fuck (he got fired for incompetence, anything good he did is basically other people’s ideas or work, Hyperloop anyone, and just the entire Twitter debacle) and he’s a huge asshole (mistreats his employees, called the cave rescuers pedophiles because they didn’t wanted to use his retarded solution, yaddah yaddah yaddah)
Anyone defending that piece of shit honestly deserves to be called anything.
Devil doesn’t need an advocate. And victims don’t need to be gaslit.
I’m sure it feels that way from a certain perspective when victims finally get a platform to speak about oppressors who have been the real world bullies without being questioned because they have too much leverage. They should be able to handle it. If not maybe they should change if they don’t like it when crunching people results in getting told how they be.
The author, a successful comedy writer, calls everyone who likes Elon “the biggest loser you’ve ever met”.
Explain to me how he is a victim and the random people he’s insulting are oppressors.
No. Because that’s your take on it. Not mine.
“everyone who likes Elon Musk is the biggest loser you’ve ever met”
That is a direct quote.
I mean if you like that asshole (Elon) then you might also be an asshole. Not talking about you liking Elon idk one way or another on that but the logic doesn’t seem very flawed to me. The people you hold in high regard are a reflection of who you are.
See? Bullying other people while somehow insisting they have the moral high ground.
But? It is from a moral high ground Elon is lame as fuck I hope you atleast agree on that. So if you Stan that man don’t act all victimized when you get criticism for it. :)
Yeah, kinda the entire state of discourse and why anyone not terminally online hates talking about anything in proximity of political or controversial. The only people you see blow up in attention are those so derogatory, shameless, and degenerate who are well passed caring about social consideration and manners in debate or conversation. It’s literally just about the concept of ratio and “I have more invisible people giving me gratification than you”. Social media gave birth to the concept that anyone can be important for long enough to get high on the feeling, and it’s fucking dismal for a functional society.
I fear you’re going to see gen alpha kids, who are consuming this at a rate far greater than any previous generation, will become just braindead. I’ve already seen it where a lot of 11-13 year old kids I know still act like they’re 6 and parrot memetic shit that has no meaning beyond just being something repeated to them during their parental granted 6 hours of screentime.
Looking into it
Exactly
Elon musk, Lord of the incels
Nah,they may just be gullible. My little cousin is a musk fan and I’ve been trying uh, encourage him to look a little deeper
Beautiful
People on Twitter spend way to much time worrying about what others are doing
I agree, as I upvote your internet comment about some guy commenting about another guy.
“my hot take is so … interesting”
In my experience, people who worship Elon and people who hate him, are the most obnoxious people I found on social media.
Yep, and the later are overrepresented here and they think they are so cool and different from the pleb.
Well he is making $25k EV, so I guess he is doing more than the dopes in legacy auto companies
No that’s the people who are actually doing work at those companies. Elon is busy suing to say he founded a company that he bought, playing Elden Ring, and shitposting on Twitter about how much work he does
His money is still facilitating the car be built… The way legacy auto is going I don’t think EV would be as big without Tesla
Exploding EVs is a lie that big oil and legacy auto has successfully managed to push to match the Elon bad crowd and it’s a disgrace.
I was defending EVs, not Elon.
Thanks for proving my point.
Literally the only bad things I hear about EVs other than Tesla is the brake fluid drying out from never being used because of regen braking, or batteries being expensive to replace and kinda necessary when buying used, or stock tires being cheap.
Only Tesla has headlines that make it to my screen about fires, exploding, steering wheels falling off, getting stuck in full throttle, spying on people at their homes and the workers passing around the videos and just being creepy, dying from rain, people accessing the someone else’s Tesla from their app or something, etc.
But as they say ‘all press is good press’. Whenever someone talks about EVs it always seems to be Tesla.
Check out the Mozilla car privacy study published recently. While Tesla is at the top of the list for privacy violations, they all do it. The quality control issues are mostly real on Tesla vehicles, but it seems to be very exaggerated. It’s been a while since I saw anyone mention the EV Mustang’s roof literally flying off of their cars, which you have to admit is a pretty serious problem. And Teslas are definitely not catching fire left and right.
Musk is a terrible person with some really bad takes. That said, I think it’s better to criticize him and his work for they actual and very real problems rather than exaggerations.
Musk (and Tesla) are extremely polarizing for headlines and drive clicks.
Just shitty business.
you’re actually correct. and the down votes kind of prove how effective it’s been on people who lack any sort of critical thinking skills.
I absolutely despise Elon, but this exploding dangerous ev bullshit is exactly what we don’t need in order to transition away from fossil fuel.
I downvoted you because you’re talking about downvotes. 👍
As you wish.
A simpler explanation is that people despise Elon Musk and everything he touches. Couple this with a general anti-car sentiment in leftist spaces because they’re effectively an icon of American capitalism and it’s reasonable to assume people would mock Teslas as dangerous. Also, Teslas have catastrophically and very publicly failed in the past, which definitely contributes to that sentiment: https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/tesla-car-battery-fire-needed-6000-gallons-water-to-extinguish-rcna68153
I saw a burnt out Prius last week, why did that not make the news?
I never understood the anti-car thing for American leftists. I am probably as left as they come (barring gun stuff) and even I can’t see how we ditch cars anytime within my lifetime. What is the plan build every suburbia into a mini metropolis? Or just pay for the houses and raise suburbia to the ground. There is just too much suburban sprawl, you would need so many frigging busses to service that. And we’re not even talking about Rural america.
You cannot defend anything SpaceX or Tesla on lemmy. It’s not even worth the effort.
I’m surprised you could type all that with Elons dick in your hand
Honestly how do you guys come up with funny burns like this. Mine just come out mean and cold.
Elon fans set themselves up for it.
Also I’m just kind of a dick
Dude, grow up.
Oh wow, it’s an Elon circle jerk in here
