Just wait until you’ve heard about the war crime that is Ohio Valley-style pizza

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      Detroit Pizza is my favorite pizza style. I love a good New York pizza but the toasty favors and tang of detroit style are my favorite by far. I got the special pan to make it, and Charlie Anderson on YouTube has a fantastic recipe.

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        Sad thing is though that when I moved to Detroit, I learned that the “representative” pizza chains here are terrible. Jet’s has so much sugar in their sauce it’s literally sickening to even smell their pizza, and Buddy’s is flavorless.

        Hell, my favorite pizza place near me is ran by a Chaldean couple. Fuck their pizza is so good.

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      Detroit pizza is pretty good. It’s more or less a hybrid between Chicago and New York that matches the geographic location, same with Buffalo.

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        I am sure it’s true, but the wiki description sounds gross to me. A crispy and chewy crust does not sound appealing.

        Geez everyone be gentle, I’m entitled to my opinions about pizza

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            hmmmm fair point. As a first thought I don’t think I would have described it as crunchy and chewy, but thinking about it, I am not sure what else you would call that.

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            Damn, focaccia pizza sounds dangerously good. Like I’d worf down a whole thing and immediately succumb to lethal levels of olive oil and cheese.

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          A crispy and chewy crust does not sound appealing.

          Speak for yourself. That sounds delicious.

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              Dude, seriously, don’t take it too hard. Lemmy is a harsh place where downvotes are given out freely and abundantly. Kbin doesn’t downvote nearly as hard, and downvotes don’t get imported from Lemmy instances. You have a +6 from my point of view.

              Just roll with it, and don’t let the haters get you down.

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                I don’t care about downvotes, but your comment explicitly says speak for yourself… hence my reply

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          I mean it’s very crispy around the edges and it’s got a nice focaccia like texture in the middle. Honestly it’s great. I mean, it’s not life altering or anything, but as regional pizza goes it’s one of the better ones.

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          You sure are entitled to your opinion. But we’re also entitled to make fun of your dumb opinion

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          I feel like chewy is the wrong word.
          As two extremes, picture wonderbread and a thick sourdough. Wonderbread smushes, and tears effortlessly. The sourdough bounces back and takes effort to tear.

          If wonderbread is a 1 and sourdough is a 10, most pizza is a 4 or 5. Detroit style would be a 5 or 6.
          It’s mostly because it’s a bit thicker in the dough department, and the pan it’s cooked in is greased so the dough is a bit more crisp than the crunch of another pizza crust.

          You would not say that it’s “gummy”, just a little thicker and a slightly closer texture.

          Depending on where you are, jets pizza is a good representative. Domino’s and little Caesars both have a low grade offering in their deep dish or pan pizzas, as they’re both Detroit or Detroit adjacent.

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          It’s mid-deep dish, so crispy on the bottom/sides and a little chewy in the middle.

          I’m a New Yorker so I also have a preference for pizza that is foldable, but the bottom is crispy enough that it cracks when you fold it, but Detroit pizza is good. They use cupping pepperoni, like Buffalo, which I think is superior to the pepperoni we use broadly in NYC.

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      I love Detroit style, especially from Jet’s pizza, so when I last went to Detroit I thought I’d try the original Detroit style from Buddy’s Pizza. It was pretty disappointing, so I guess, copycats do improve it sometimes.

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        My take was that buddy’s was a let down compared to the hype, but otherwise perfectly fine. They also charged for what the hype led me to expect.

        Jets on the other hand gives you just as traditional Detroit style, but the quality advertised, expected, delivered and paid for is entirely uniform.

        Buddy’s wants to be “nice” in a way that’s above what you can actually get out of a pizza place without being a “restaurant that can also make pizza”.

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        Jets is probably one of the best widespread chains out there. If you’re in the area though, Green Lantern in Royal Oak absolutely slaps and is hands-down the best pizza I’ve ever had in my life. Don’t mistake it for the one in Madison, since they only have a “tavern” style.

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      Mmm tell me more about how this pizza is contaminated with motor oil and antifreeze. That’s really making my mouth water.

      Edit: Your downvotes have convinced me that thinking of an oil drip pan while eating pizza is appetizing. Detroit, I’m sure your pizza is as good as your football team.

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      Detroit pizza is so fucking good. New York pizza is a greasy flap of falling toppings and Chicagoans will be the first to tell you chicago deep dish is an overrated cheese pool in a piecrust

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      I never heard of Detroit style but I think it looks very similar to what I would call a baking tray pizza (Blechpizza) in Germany.

      1000007221

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        Pretty similar, yeah.
        Big difference would be that the Detroit pizza is a fair bit greasier, and the cheese goes to the edge so there’s no visible crust.
        It basically makes it so that the dough is fried rather than baked.

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        We call this style of pizza ‘deep dish’ here in Detroit which, I suppose, is just another name for the baking tray its cooked in. Though as the other commenter said, the deep dish allows you to cover it with cheese right up to the edge, which usually ends up dark and crunchy where it touches the pan.

        I’ve known people to fight over the corner pieces and I think it was Jet’s that has a whole thing with an “8-corner pizza” (as in, two smaller pizzas in a box-shaped trenchcoat, cut into quarters so that every piece is a corner piece)

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        No, not really. Detroit style has a much thinker crust, which is sort of what makes it unique.

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      Thick, crispy, cheese-overloaded crust, that shit is awesome. I still think sauce-on-cheese is freaking stupid, but aside from that it’s a 10/10.

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        I am born and raised in metro Detroit and the only place I think I’ve seen this “sauce on cheese” you speak of is just now, in the ultra staged photos that came up when I searched “detroit-style pizza” to figure out what you meant

        You’re right, this is blasphemy. Let the record show that this is not at all authentic to Detroit what makes it a Detroit-style pizza

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          I don’t believe you. I’m also born and raised in Detroit and you’re only faking being a Detroiter if you haven’t had Jet’s Pizza, Buddy’s Pizza, or Nikki’s Pizza in Greektown. All 3 places are well-known in the metro area for their pizza and all 3 of them serve it sauce on cheese. That’s what makes a Detroit Pizza a Detroit Pizza. There’s also Shield’s Pizza which is also sauce on cheese but they weren’t in “Detroit” proper for years until 2019 (even though they originally opened in Detroit).

          Did you grow up in the suburbs or something?

          Edit: Shield’s and Buddy’s are the original Detroit pizzas. Anyone who tells you they know anything about Detroit pizza that hasn’t tried them is lying to you.

          For the posers coming in here trying to redefine the classic, even Wikipedia knows: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit-style_pizza. Note the image descriptions too:

          “Detroit-style pizza showing typical lacy cheese crust edge and sauce on top”

          “Detroit-style pizza showing sauce on top of some of the toppings, lacy cheese crust, and cheese to the edge”

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            I mean just look up jets deep dish and not a single image that comes up has any sauce over the cheese. That’s how my deep dishes have always come from there or anywhere else. Haven’t eaten at Buddy’s and haven’t heard of Nikki’s or Shield’s. I said metro Detroit so yeah I grew up in the suburbs around Pontiac but I didn’t realize that invalidated my opinion and made me a “fake detroiter” lol

            Edit: also what makes it Detroit pizza is that it’s cooked in a deep square dish with little to no bare bread on the outside edges, not the toppings or sauce arrangement. You can take that or leave it and it’s still detroit-style.

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              I mean… Pontiac is not Detroit so yeah. If you haven’t even heard of the original Detroit Pizza, Shield’s, then you’re not a born and raised Detroiter. You’re a born and raised “Pontiacan”.

              And no, what makes it a Detroit-style pizza isn’t just that it’s cooked in the square dish (which was originally an oil or drip pan). A classic Detroit-style pizza is cooked in the square, deep dish with the sauce under and on top of the cheese. It’s called a red top and the sauce is added in strips. I don’t need to take or leave anything. I’m not taking lessons on Detroit pizza from someone who wasn’t even born and raised in Detroit.

              Edit: This place is worse than Reddit when it comes to people not knowing what the eff they’re talking about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit-style_pizza

              “Detroit-style pizza showing typical lacy cheese crust edge and sauce on top”

              “Detroit-style pizza showing sauce on top of some of the toppings, lacy cheese crust, and cheese to the edge”

              The original pizzas from Buddy’s and then Shield’s were red tops.

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                lol sorry I didn’t realize you were the official gatekeeper of who/what is or isn’t Detroit. I guess I’ll just ignore all of the local news networks that refer to my area as metro Detroit and the rest of the world that will say I’m from Detroit and talk to me about Detroit when I point my city out on a map. I’ll just take your word for it that I don’t belong here since I didn’t come from your specific neighborhood.

                Not to mention all of the pizza I’ve had, literally from the first place you personally named as having Detroit-style pizza…

                YOU don’t have to take or leave or believe anything. Really not sure why you’re centering yourself in this conversation like that. Neither the world nor the detroit area revolves around you personally and I’m not about to take food lessons either from someone with their head so comfortably shoved up their own ass…

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                  Why would anyone take you seriously when you can’t even understand that Pontiac and Detroit are two different cities?

                  Just because people don’t know where Pontiac is doesn’t mean it’s suddenly the same thing as Detroit, especially when we’re discussing food from that specific city.

                  The only person with their head shoved somewhere is you, buddy. Don’t be clowning about our culture when you have no idea what it even is.

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            Jets absolutely does not do sauce on cheese. Calling bullshit in your “born and raised” claim, son.

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                  False. It’s a red top with 3 stripes across the top.

                  Tell me you’ve never eaten a classic at Buddy’s or Shield’s without telling me.

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    I do get pretty tired of food snobbery. Try it! You might like it! Worst thing that happens is you don’t eat it again.

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    I live in Ohio and have no idea what Ohio-valley style Pizza is. Is that a thing? Is this a joke? Am I a joke to you? (I mean, it’s justifiable. I live in Ohio after all)

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        The pizza is known for its distinctive cold toppings which are added after the pizza is cooked. It was nicknamed “The Poor Man’s Cheesecake” in the 1940s. In 2018, DiCarlo said he did not remember why the pizza was originally prepared that way but speculated that it may have been to avoid burning the toppings. The style became a part of local cuisine in Ohio and West Virginia, and was replicated by several other chains. However, its method of preparation is polarizing, and it has been negatively compared to Lunchables.

        🤣😂🤣

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            The crust is baked like normal, it’s just that the toppings are added afterwards. The comparison to lunchables is apt though, I’d only recommend it if you require pizza and the only other choices offer St Louis or Altoona styles.

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        It looks like if an adult was banned from buying Lunchables pizza, but still wanted that same disappointment.

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        Never heard of Steubenville, but I’m going to blame this war crime on the people of Pittsburgh nearby. That sounds like some Pittsburgh bullshit.

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        Ok that looks terrible especially compared to the Dayton style that’s right nearby.

        Steubenville has produced nothing but disappointment and tragedy

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          Wait… Dayton style?

          This is getting out of hand. Now there’s two of them!

          Also, what’s Dayton style? If it came from the Oregon District it might actually be good

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        Steubenville

        I mean, that says it all right there. That’s not a pizza style, that’s a war crime

        Okay, anyone that got this far and isn’t from the area, Steubenville is Pittsburgh lite. They speak Yinzer, call the above abomination “cuisine”, and generally suffer from generational lead poisoning. Also, the “Ohio Valley” isn’t some canyon in Ohio (although I’d encourage you to visit the Hocking Hills sometime, it’s quite beautiful, with several breathtaking ravines). No, the Ohio Valley refers to both the basin of the Ohio River particularly and more broadly the geographic region that feeds the Ohio River. That means the “Ohio Valley” stretches as far as Tennessee lol

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        It oddly reminds me of something I had in Florence, Italy in the late '90s. I didn’t speak Italian more than enough to order food (though I could get by in French for the most part for the simple interactions I was doing), so I don’t know exactly what it was, but it looked like what is in that wiki. I grew up in Ohio but never had that style (which I think is more in the eastern part of the state).

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      I thought Ohio pizza was just square cut and thin crust which is hardly a style. I’ve been here my whole life and never had that cold pizza style but it might actually be good…or reheat in the oven nicely ha

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    ‘Colorado’ style is basically made in only one chain, Beau Joes, but it’s pretty good. Super-sized ‘Mountain Crust’ eaten with honey.

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        It’s basically like a really doughy deep dish. It’s fine, not amazing. And there’s really only one place that makes it with a handful of locations. So it’s not very widespread in Colorado.

        Oddly enough the most popular place in Denver these days is a Detroit style place.

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        I am too, but no one else in my family is so we don’t go often. The red peppers they had on the table were the best I ever had also, so good I bought some myself. A local company called Flatiron Pepper Co.

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        It is. After you get to the end, you eat it with honey they set out on the table. After the first time I had it, I never got the chance to go back to Colorado for a decade, but never stopped craving it. Maybe it’s something about the way they cook it at a high altitude, but something about the crust was unlike anything else I have ever had.

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        What Digornios are you eating that looks like this

        My pic from the last time I was there

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      But when does it become pizza? Is it pizza when you roll out the dough, or is it only pizza when it comes out of the oven?

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      I used to think that, until I went to Chicago. Took the Chicago Pizza Tour, 12/10 I recommend. Each pizza was different and amazing. And the history lesson that came with it was just the extra credit that push it over the top.

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      Hands down worst style of pizza I’ve ever tried. My company went on an outing in downtown Chicago to a place that was famous for it, and I was excited because I love Sicilian style and thought it would be similar. Nope, it was a three inch deep brick of bread. The crust, usually my favorite part, was an inedible greasy rind. Cold tomato paste on top sealed the deal.

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        1. Cold is wrong and I dunno where the hell you you went. Cold is extremely wrong.

        2. I’m from Chicago and really it would save everyone a lot of trouble if we didn’t call it pizza. Honestly, we usually don’t. If you want pizza, you say pizza. If you want deep dish, you say deep dish. If someone said we were having pizza and then a deep dish pizza showed up, I would be pleasantly surprised, but I would still be surprised.

        3. No, it’s nothing like Sicilian style pizza.

        4. Greasy crust? Seriously where the hell did you go?

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        True Chicago style is more of a thin crust, like that’s what everyone here eats. You had the unfortunate experience of bad deep dish. I call it “guest pizza” cause I only eat it when people from out of town want to try it.

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    The only places I’ve heard of that have the balls to speak their names in proximity to NYC and Chicago are Detroit and New Haven, CT.

    Detroit Pizza is fucking great, especially with extra sauce and I haven’t had New Haven pizza but have been told it’s too big of a range to say that it’s all good pizza.

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      Why’s everyone snubbing St. Louis?

      Also, what’s New Haven pizza supposed to be? Hot honey? Fuck off with that shit

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        New Haven is generally thin crispy crust cooked in a coal oven and a bit charred on top. Basically a NYC pie cooked in a hotter oven. They might do the sauce a bit different, IDK.

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        Essentially it’s coal fired at very high temperatures so the crust has a distinct consistency.

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      Frank Pepe’s (located in New Haven, CT) is easily the best pizza. I haven’t had a slice in New York that can beat it.

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          Nothing, it’s mediocre af.

          I’ve had dollar slices in the Bronx that beat Frank Pepe’s in quality.

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              It’s floppy, dry (like not enough sauce), and the crust is too thick. I’d rate the sauce itself, but there wasn’t enough on my pizza to give it a proper rating.

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            Why? You neither made a case against Frank’s nor for Zuppardis. Based on your reply, I don’t think I want to touch any place you might go to.

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              Frank Pepe and Sally’s have the same general dry floury carbonized crust which some people will fight to the death over. I prefer an olive oil crust, without the black charred air pockets. It’s all preference.

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    I sincerely hope the Italians are asleep and don’t see any of the fuckin grease-abortions in this thread 😂

    Pizza is a flatbread, not a fuckin coronary

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      Pizza is a multinational dish made in a variety of places by a variety of people with a variety of recipes.

      If the dish never changed, then it doesn’t even get tomatoes on it because those were brought to Europe after the first pizza was invented.

      Italian food snobbery is the most confusing, since a lot of their key ingredients weren’t even brought to the country until comparatively recently.
      And it discounts all the actual Italians who left Italy and went other places as not making Italian food.
      And also the people in other parts of Italy, since they actually have a lot of different variants on the dish, even in Italy.

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        Italian snobbery isn’t surprising at all, it’s a deeply conservative country. Steadfast adherence to cultural norms is the predictable behavior of a state with a strong religious backbone. They won’t even stop electing actual fascists (a true Italian invention.)

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          Italy is weird because their greatest food contributions were created by poor people. Pizza, pasta, and lasagna were created to stretch the tiny amount of meat people could afford.

          And almost all of the people who left the country were poor. So the actual creators of the original foods left and their descendants created new varieties. Now the richer descendants who were able to stay in Italy want to say these foods are not “correct”.

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        10 months ago

        Not as wild as the American food snobbery, as beautifully exemplified by the OP of this very thread.

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      Pizza was invented in america. The food the italians call pizza is just a defective prototype.

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    St. Louis-style pizza is one of the most disgusting things I’ve ever eaten.

    The style has a thin cracker-like crust made without yeast, generally uses Provel cheese, and is cut into squares or rectangles instead of wedges.

    Provel is a trademark for a combination of three cheeses (provolone, Swiss, and white cheddar) used instead of (or, rarely, in addition to) the mozzarella or provolone common to other styles of pizza.

    Some of the sauces have a sweetness to them

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis–style_pizza

    Oh dear god it’s awful.

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      Born and raised in StL. Can confirm. The worst part about the cheese is that it’s … sticky. It never quite congeales after you melt it so you get weird, greasy, molten shit stuck to the roof of your mouth

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        I assure you it is much, much worse than dominos. It’s like making a pizza with Cheez Wiz instead of real cheese. Considering the ingredients of provel cheese are all nice on their own is quite the feat.

        This is certainly a distinct style of pizza, as much difference as Chicago style is from New York. Unlike with those I have no idea how anyone thought this was a good idea.

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      I was expecting a rectangular pizza cut into squares which would make sense. Jesus Christ they really saw a circle and said, squares are the perfect way to cut this!

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        Square cut is a Midwestern thing and it makes for smaller pieces so you can have exactly as much pizza as you want. Also you end up with these comically small triangles in a few edge pieces and they’re adorable.

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    This person must be from Chicago if they are describing their tomato casserole as a pizza. If Chicago can have their pizza crime, let others do as they please and get off your high horse.

    Let’s not even get into how overrated New York pizza is.

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          Chicago people can never believe that anything they have could possibly exist anywhere else, or, even worse, have pre-existed the Chicago version, which is usually exactly the same or slightly worse.

          You can observe this in the wild; just start doing literally anything with a person from Chicago and at some point they will stop and mention “this is nice, but in Chicago we have…” and then go on to describe the same thing.

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          No it’s not.

          I have had pizza all over the us and Chicago thin crust is different than just a regular hand tossed

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    it is more sad when people think that what they eat in NY or Chicago is the real pizza