This is why I got a cheap Aeropress and milk frother. I pay enough for my latte, and the barista makes as much as I do, stop judging me for not tipping. I tip servers, not counter workers.
Do not tip the servers. It scares the sysadmins.
Linux can run diagonally now
Not if you’re on wayland. It really does break everything.Vaxry implemented it in Hyprland a few days ago, which is not at all surprising from him.
Google en passant
- me with six accelerometers glued to my monitor -
“How do you get it to register as diagonal?”
Unfortunately it blinks black when it reorients, your continuous accelerometer feed may take some work.
I laughed. Never as bad as spaghetti cabling though.
The spaghetti cabling forms a safety net to cushion the overloaded rack as it pulls away from the cinder block wall
I know that’s the only way to change how the system works, but at the same time my conscience yells at me and tells me that if I don’t tip them, they might not be able to buy a necessity because they don’t make as much as counter staff.
I feel like it’s a catch 22
It’s a joke about server computers
I don’t know computers lol
I don’t mind tipping for any hospitality service, but what I really hate about fast food and cafe tipping is that they often collect payment and push for a tip before the order was made incorrectly.
That’s a good point. I also hate that about food delivery services. I tip my drivers well, but I don’t like that I’m often giving a good tip and not getting good service in return. If I’d have known I was going to get bad service, I would have tipped based on distance only and it would be significantly less.
Sometimes it’s just a no win scenario, even with a refund it’s still a bunch of hoops to jump through just to be hungry and annoyed, but at no cost to you!
Been there too! My place isn’t even that hard to find, but it pisses me off when my kids are looking forward to some Edo and it never comes. The refund is fine, but we’re still hungry and now it’s 8 pm, now what am I supposed to do?
Or worse, a credit. Do you really expect me to keep your app on my phone?
If you don’t get good service on GrubHub or wherever, you just complain to their helpline. They give you refunds.
Honestly I have no issues with 95% of delivery orders. And usually the issue is the restaurant’s fault.
But that blows for the consumer
95% success rate sucks? It sounds like this person just lives somewhere where all delivery sucks.
Plenty of people move to the middle of nowhere to “get away from it all” and then complain about the lack of service and conveniences. No, a few dollars tip is not enough to pay someone to drive 30 minutes to wherever you decided to live.
The pattern of tip before consumption and call support to resolve is worse than nearly any alternative.
No comment on your second paragraph, not applicable
In my experience they don’t refund if the driver is 20 minutes late because they went the wrong way or because they decided to take multiple orders. I’ve even had them drop my food off at the wrong place when I was standing right outside my door waiting for them. The people at the other place tried to tell the driver it didn’t belong to them but he just left it with them and left, my neighbour gave it to me. When I complained Door Dash said that because I got my order there was nothing they could do.
Door Dash
That’s the problem. Doordash sucks.
I have the option of Door Dash or Skip. I try to only order from places that have in house delivery now.
If you only have those options, it means you live in the middle of nowhere. How can you not have GrubHub or Uber Eats? Those are the only good ones. I would definitely use the in-house delivery before Doordash. Never even heard of the other one.
Tipping in cash upon delivery is still the best thing to do.
I can’t remember the last time I paid anything in cash that wasn’t my kids allowance. But on top of that Skip the Dishes ( I assume door dash too, but I used to drive for Skip so I can say them for sure) shows the driver how much they’ll make on the delivery and if they don’t like it they won’t accept it. If I’m paying in cash then all they’re being shown is the base distance rate and they’ll all deny it.
DoorDash does this as well, and there is no way to adjust the tip if you received bad service. There used to be, but DoorDash found their model worked better if they don’t allow you to reduce your tip after you put in the order.
This.
So counter-intuitive and self-defeating…
Then they hand you a receipt from a printer that’s out of toner and you can’t even entertain the customer feedback route. It’ll dry up like the KFC and the Arby’s that occupied that lot before it.
It’s started to feel like a shake-down, honestly.
I’ve had my aeropress for years and have a love/hate relationship with it. I go on streaks that make incredible cups, followed by the worst cups of my life when I inevitably forget the ratios or change grinds. I really do like it and wish I could be a snob but I just settle for my Nespresso (when it isn’t broken and needing warranty replacement, again).
You could like, write down the ratio and coffee brand and such
I could but then I wouldn’t be able to justify my irrational need for a new coffee machine.
To be fair though, I’ve written it down and tried that. Maybe it’s my perception that changes or the little unaccounted nuances add up to big differences. Right now, I have a bold Cuban batch from Key West that tastes like burnt plastic no matter the amount of water or brew time.
Sounds like robusta…
If it is, there’s nothing you can do about the burnt rubber flavour. That’s a feature of the type of coffee
They make apps for that now: https://f-droid.org/packages/com.omelan.cofi/
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1 scoop grounds, heat water to 190f, fill water between 1 and 2 mark, steep 1 minute, press. Brilliance every time.
They’ll keep it up as long as business is good. If people will pay 12$ for a latte and lines are out the door, and there are no regulations to stop price gouging and predatory behavior, why wouldn’t they?
Oh there are definitely laws to stop price gauging but that’s for small businesses and individuals who aren’t rich.
Isn’t a café the very definition of a small business?
Yeah Starbucks sure is tiny.
I wouldn’t really call them a café, just a chain where you can buy drinks made from burnt-to-shit coffee beans.
That’s okay. The coffee beans to chocolate, whip cream , soy milk, and extra caffeine ratio is like 1:99.
why wouldn’t they?
It’s not even a matter of “why wouldn’t they,” do much as a matter of they must.
Absent of regulations, any company that doesn’t abandon every conceivable human moral in pursuit of more profit will find itself hopelessly out-competed by the ones that do. If your every competitor is charging $12 for a latte and paying their employees starvation wages, and you charge a reasonable amount and pay your employees a decent wage, then every hour you’re in business your competitors will be making more money than you, and you will always fall behind, unless something comes along to close that gap.
Libertarians might try to say that eventually the free market will close the gap, but adults know otherwise. The free market doesn’t give a shit about human decency, the environment, the value of mom and pop businesses, or any of that. The free market can only ever want to make more money, every year, at a faster rate of increase, every year. Forever.
Government is the only thing that can reasonably account for how things should be. Regulations are the only reason we don’t have 80 hour work weeks and children in the mines.
Is $12 for a latte even price gouging?
Like, $12 for milk and eggs? $12 for a pound of veggies or a gallon of gas or a jug of water during a hurricane? Sure.
But I can buy a bag of beans for $12 and make ten cups easy. I just don’t know if I’d call it price gouging because you’re willing to pay out the nose for foamed milk.
I think coffee shops should 100% be allowed to price gouge. Its a product anyone can easily make at home for pennies.
It’s like those multi million dollar art installations that’s literally just a yellow square with a red dot in the middle.
to be fair a setup that can make espresso drinks in the same quality league as coffee shops will cost in the range of 1000-3000€ but if you drink one cup per day then you can save that amount in a year by making coffee at home
Well, in that case, I don’t think anyone can make the case that espresso is a necessity, so again, gouge away.
Bambino is 600, if you do the math it pays itself off in like two or three months of owning one vs going to a coffee shop.
Bambino won’t pull the same shots that a great independent coffee shop’s equipment will.
Lattes aren’t essential. Charging $12 for one is neither predatory nor price gouging. It’s arguably exploitatative but I don’t feel it’s our job to tell people they’re not allowed to waste their own money.
Acting on “what the market will bear” instead of what at cost as well as labour is predatory in that it is opportunistic in the basic definition of what makes predatory behaviour predatory. It is also gouging as it is setting a price range that can be considered exclusionary. And then to also attack a customer who feels this and speaks it can be considered victim blaming as you’re enabling these behaviours by dismissing the feedback of the victim, which again is being exclusionary by enforcing their money to be taken but not allowing they can be part of the feedback or setting boundaries of what is happening to them.
When you call someone choosing to buy a $12 latte a victim it makes everything else you say impossible to take seriously.
you use ‘choice’ like $3 latte is an option. You’re bent on manipulating people so it’s hard to take you seriously.
You can get a latte at Dunkin donuts for $2.69 or McDonald’s for $1. Or, and this is going to blow your mind, you can live without lattes. We’re not talking about insulin ffs. How fucking entitled are you talking about a luxury item like it’s a necessity lmao
The barista is a tablet
At my local independent coffee shop the practice is that the baristas pay no attention and start working on your order as soon as you get to the tip screen so there’s no pressure to assign a gigantic tip. They also have much better beans than Starbucks, to the point that the founder of this shop spun off the coffee bean sourcing/roasting into a separate business that he continues to manage and now is the supplier of beans for every independent coffee shop for a 50 mile radius
The barista is an AI- generated composite of the employees that it replaced displayed on a tablet.
Baristas and coffee connoisseurs exist in a perpetual state of disapproval, so you might as well save some money.
The baristas at the cafe my daughter and I usually go to (which is so good that even though it is half an hour away and one town over, we still go) are great. And really friendly. It’s not especially cheaper than anywhere else, but they have a decent selection of non-coffee drinks like smoothies and bubble tea for my daughter, a drink called a dirty chai which I really like for me (chai with a shot of espresso), and a lot of surprisingly good gluten-free pastries and cookies. We aren’t gluten-free and gluten-free baked goods that I’ve tried generally haven’t impressed me, but these aren’t bad. They also have gelato. Plus, a chill atmosphere and a lot of comfortable places to sit.
If you’re ever going down I-70 through Illinois and pass by Marshall near the Indiana border, the Gypsy Queen Cafe is worth a stop, if for no other reason than to see a surprisingly upscale cafe for a tiny town in the middle of nowhere.
Edit: The menu on the website is incomplete. So is the menu on their sign. It’s sort of distributed throughout the store. That’s the one thing I don’t like about it, but I’m used to it now.
Sounds like a nice place! It’s cool that you have that near you. The 3rd wave places near me seem to think that coffee is the lifeblood from which all things sprout, and their attitudes generally suck. Their coffee is good though.
I think because they’re young and it’s a small town and there isn’t much there in terms of employment, they’re pretty happy to have one of the relatively few jobs there that don’t require an advanced education and also don’t suck ass.
Just about anywhere that sells coffee in the states can make you a dirty chai, it’s my go-to coffee order. Even places where everything is just poured out of pre-prepared cartons, the chai is almost always killer.
And the company probably made a net profit of 5 billion — a 25% rise from the previous year.
The barista is making 13$ per hour
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We don’t really have this whole tipping thing here.
I’ve had coffee in two places recently. One was in a hypermarket. I don’t remember what the coffee costs there, because it came free with the meal. If the restaurant staff feel they don’t get paid enough, I don’t care if they get inspiration from France and torch every car in the parking lot. You see, I go to the hypermarket by foot. It’s not that far away.
The other place I had coffee recently was in the train. 2.80€. I certainly hope the restaurant car staff gets paid well. They’re technically railroad employees, after all. You don’t fuck with railroad workers.
I’ve never heard the term “hypermarket” before today, but according to Google that’s what these type of stores have been called since 1968 lol!
I make coffee at home. Always have.
But you know what is different? I don’t feel bad anymore about giving a low tip or even not tipping at all because the entire concept has been exploited and inflated to insane levels across almost every industry.
I was prompted for a minimum 18% tip at the gas station when I bought a bottle of water and that was when I decided it was okay not to feel guilty about not tipping anymore.
I haven’t seen a $12 late where I’m from, they’re usually about $4-5
Lately where I’m from, things that go on display for $4-5 tend to come with a $12 receipt
Remember to tip the machine that spits out your coffee.
My favorite thing is being charged extra for soy milk despite it being way less resource intensive and having a similar nutritional profile.
The US government heavily subsidizes dairy. They also subsidize soy, but it’s $20B for dairy and $4B for soybeans. The price of milk is below production costs.
Ahh that makes a lot of sense. I also wonder if the soy subsidy directly affects soymilk/human products or if it’s mostly for animal feed?
I tried to figure that out, but the answer proved elusive. Soybeans grown in the US are mostly used as feedstock though (about 70%).
Appreciate the effort! I didn’t realize it would be as high as 70%!
I would imagine it might be due to a combination of low demand and having to continually restock due to FDA standards. Or it could just be taking advantage of people wanting an alternative.
Yeah and I’ll tip a dollar when they clearly know what they’re doing.
The prediction was a bust, because I haven’t walked into any local coffee shops in 2024. I didn’t in 2023 either.
I don’t know what the lattes cost because I don’t buy them. My coffee at home is great every day.
Oh I’m sorry, I thought America was all about turning the bull loose and protecting our beloved economy in its current form at all costs.
Actions have consequences. An economy designed for infinite growth/metastasis on a very finite world has consequences. We’ve only just begun to feel the consequences of our not merely tolerance, but encouragement of insatiable, unaccountable greed.
Buckle up. The price of lattes will be the least of our worries. Another 10 years and Chocolate and Coffee will probably be priced out for us capital batteries. Don’t worry though, they’ll make some cancer causing substitute that’s a third as satisfying for half the price. Be sure to CONSUME it.
Make sure you have your “I got cancer from sugar substitute” insurance paid up! That won’t be covered any other way! Easy and convenient payment plans start at just $195 paid every alternate 9 days! At that price you can’t afford not to get it!!!
Most of the shops got it got $8 but I van imagine some of the “fancy” shop could sell it for $12
Let me guess, that’s 8 dollaridoos witbout taxes.
A latte here in NL is still € 4 with no tip required
Yes but US lattes can be close to a liter.
What the fuck
Most of our coffee is drip. Sometimes cold brew. Espesso, cappuccino, Turkish, press, etc…we don’t do that much. Fancy coffee, sure, but not our “it’s Monday and I can’t even” coffee. Or our “it’s Tuesday and I can’t even” coffee, or so on.
Fast service shops and such will have “cappuccino” or “espresso” but I think it’s either concentrate or it’s just not the same.
We do have a serious unspoken caffeine addiction though. It comes from our Protestant work ethic while having our wallets bled dry. We end up with hustle culture and a stimulant addiction. Hooray!
Never buy coffee in the states if you’re from nz/aus or Europe. You WILL be disappointed.
We do have different types of coffee, but you might have to go to a specialty shop to get it like you do at home. If you’re talking about regular restaurants it’s probably good advice.
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So are americans fat and lazy, or always busy and hyper work oriented? I’m losing track of the stereotypes here.
Interestingly, both. Americans are hyper work oriented because, you know, we’ve been trained since birth that if you don’t work, you’re going to suffer and die (and that’s partially true, yay barely affording apartments and food), but when we get off of work, we’re not going to work out, invest time in anything but watching the latest Hupeaflix show, and maybe brush our teeth before bed. Food comes out of a bag or box in the freezer, or maybe delivered with the expectation of a tip or your food gets there late, bitch.
And that’s definitely just for specialty drinks, usually an up charge for additions and substitutes.
Black coffee vs a triple shot frappe with protein powder, oat milk, lavender mint syrup, on a raft, four-by-four animal-style, extra shingles with a shimmy and a squeeze, light axle grease, make it cry, burn it, and let it swim.
… you forgot the PICKLES!
That’s weird. My coffee is way cheaper at Dunkin Donuts and it’s counter service so I don’t fucking tip them.
Wrong. You tip for counter service now. You tip the gas station attendant for ringing up your bubble gum. Soon you will tip your doctor for giving you a prescription. Thanks Obama!
Wrong. You tip for counter service now.
Maybe you do, if you’re a chump!
How did Obama do this the fuck
People here who don’t remember the thanks Obama meme is very sad.
Anytime anything bad happened people would say “thanks Obama” then it got turned into a meme of people saying it when it didn’t even have anything to do with Obama.
It got so popular that Obama himself made a meme.
People don’t remember the Thanks Obama meme… Thanks Obama!
Haha. Somehow I haven’t seen that before. Obama was a very likeable person.
Edit: idk why I said “was”. He’s not dead. He is a likeable person.
Eh, Obama oversaw the expansion of our national surveillance state apparatus, so…not everybody felt he was very likable.
It’s not that people don’t remember the meme; it’s that this guy seems like he’s saying it unironically.
False! Maybe your sarcasm meter is broken.
Maybe you failed to account for Poe’s law.
I cannot overcome the laws of reality. All I can do is place faith in my fellow humans to rise above the need for /s tags. I figured the line about tipping doctors for writing prescriptions, and the use of a common meme were clear indications that I was being sarcastic. But I get your point, and there is a lot of crazy on the internet these days (always has been, but it’s even more common now).
Today a 16oz caffè latte from Starbucks was $4.95 with no modifications.
You didn’t even get avocado toast? What don’t you care about the economy at all?
I don’t think they had that. I did see avacado cups, but no gluten involved.
The barista can ask their manager. If I have to come to you, that tip option doesn’t mean shit. Then I leave a 1 star review
I tip every time I’m at a sit-down restaurant, and infrequently at other places (mostly local places, to keep them afloat - they have it harder than the food chains). That being said, if they want us to tip for just food prep and cooking, maybe make the food half-off, then we can tip them if the food is better than we thought? $5 burger…It was really good, I guess I will give them $9. $5 burger that is crap, well, it stays a $5 burger.
Or, hear me out, $9 burger no tip and I’ll come back if it was good.
I mean, that works too I guess. But, if they insist on asking for tips, that’s the only way I’m tipping at a no-service restaurant.
I got a chai tea latte from a chain called Scooter’s yesterday. Six bucks. For some milk and tea. Fucking highway robbery.
Yet you bought it. If nobody bought it then he wouldn’t sell.
Scooter would have to go back to living in a van, solving mysteries with 3 other strangers and a dog.
That’s Shaggy. Scooter was an alien cyborg that transformed into a motorcycle.
