That story explains why I dislike led lights
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I grew up with incandescent bulbs, and it was hell. The waste, in both trash and energy consumption, was horrendous.
The (thankfully) short age of flourescent reduced energy use, but the trash was worse, and the light categorically regressive.
LEDs are, in all ways, superior. You buy cheap-ass crap LEDs, you’re going to get a worse experience, obviously. Despite some negatives, LEDs are still the best lighting technology available. Feel free to complain, but there’s no better option right now. Wanting to go back to incandescents is vinyl-turntable-level, selective memory, retro hipsterism. And also super shitty for the environment.
You can too often see the same thing in LED car headlights and tail lights. The most obnoxious of these flicker noticeably all the time. Not much better are the ones that seem to be on continuously when viewed in the center of your vision, but flicker in your peripheral vision. The later I find really distracting
But did you read the story? It doesn’t discourage use of LED products. The issue is specific LEDs that are manufactured with sub par components that contribute to flicker. Unfortunately it’s the only thing regulation will solve. Personally I’m waiting for headlights to be regulated for glare, position, and color temperature.
They must have watched this video https://youtu.be/va1rzP2xIx4?feature=shared
Lol was wondering if someone would post his video
Newer LED lights often flicker.
Saved you a click.
That’s not so much the LEDs themselves, as the cheaply designed power supply.
I buy the cheap $3 boxes of colored lights. They aren’t that bright and give a nice warm color to a room
Has anyone here tried https://tru-tone.com/
The ads make them look like the colours of my youth, but ads can make anything look like anything…
I still use the old school ceramic C9 bulbs. So much better. They give off a warm colorful feeling. Led lights just feel cold to me.
About 75% of LED monitors give me a headache because I can see or “feel” then flickering. It sucks.
I had a coworker back in the in-office days who had these garbage-ass monitors and whenever I had to pair with him I’d end up with a debilitating headache.
Have you tried a high refresh rate monitor? I doubt you’d see the flickering at 165hz or 240hz.
LCD monitors don’t flicker at their refresh rate. It simply updates the graphics on the panel per frame at an imperceptible speed. The backlight has nothing to do with the refresh, either.
This isn’t true for all of them. Some have a backlight strobing feature that flashes the display at their current refresh rate to reduce motion blur. It makes the strobing much worse at lower refresh rates, though.
I have sensitivity to certain lighting and find amber glasses help me a lot. I don’t know if it’s the same as your issue, but it’s be worth trying. I first tried it with a pair of $10 clip ons I bought at the hardware store. They were meant for highlighting contrast for outdoor activities. One since gotten prescription glasses with amber lenses for work.
Theraspecs have various tints as well! I wear rose-tinted (FL41) lenses that were specifically designed to help with light sensitivity and photo phobia. Since changing to a rose lens, I can make it through a day at work with flourescent lights and through a 2 hour music rehearsal at a school with flourescent lights, whereas that would be exhausting before and cause headaches.
what a fucking boring world we’ve made. Flashing lights give people seizures and shit, but sure, we can just pretend that’s not a problem and make all the lights flicker instead of learning how to make an LED dimmer. Fuck it! Obviously nothing matters anyway. That’s what we as a society are apparently saying. Woo, capitalism.
You know incandescent bulbs flicker, right? Same with CRTs. The bulbs flicker at ~60Hz. CRTs at ~30 fps.
I’m not saying flickering isn’t a problem but don’t act like things didn’t flicker before.
Those deep blue LED Xmas lights are the worst for whatever reason.
As a Jew (and an atheist) who never grew up celebrating Christmas but having it forced down my throat for two months of the year anyway, they’ve always given me a headache.
I don’t mind that people celebrate Christmas in general, it’s just that it’s so overboard.
EDIT: I knew a bunch of people would downvote me for finding the two months of the year they shove their religion’s holiday down other people’s throats going overboard.
funny, i kinda dont give 2 shits about the holiday, but i love the reason to go overboard. sudden tourist monstrosity; take that hoa!
That’s a fair point. Anything to fuck over an HOA.
I’m in a similar boat, but I appreciate anyone trying to make pretty public displays. I might not agree on the definition of pretty, but they’re trying, and that’s pretty great.
We need more of you in our society
IMHO restraint is key with light displays. Make it lightweight and pretty, think minimalist and I am on board. Big plastic snowmen and Santas can fuck right off.
Generally speaking, yes. But if someone goes through the effort to put that crap up, good on them.
I live in an area where people put up pretty terrible looking homemade displays. If they went through the trouble to make it, I’m going to find something to appreciate.
This article seems sus to me. It describes a bunch of ways to observe high-frequency flicker that, IME, just aren’t a problem. Personally I find flicker stops being a problem above about 60 Hz. I’m sure the threshold varies for different people, but I can’t fathom how anyone could be bothered by a 2000 Hz flicker as the article seems to suggest.
Also, for reference, back before first screen TVs, TVs all flickered at 50 or 60 Hz depending on what country you were in.
I love how you decided it doesn’t exist because you personally don’t notice. Lighting design is a thing.
This is like those people who don’t get headaches and nausea when they watch 3D movies telling people who do get headaches and nausea from watching 3D movies that “it’s not that bad!”
Didn’t Hank Green make done 2d glasses specifically for this?
Nice job misrepresenting what I said.
They stated “IME” and “personally”, understanding thresholds vary per person… but you gloss over that just to try and create an argument. I bet you have blue hair.
The upthread comment says:
but I can’t fathom how anyone could be bothered by a 2000 Hz flicker as the article seems to suggest.
What does this part of your comment mean?
I bet you have blue hair.
You could hear a 2kHz flicker. It would hurt my head for that reason. I also have certain monitors and earbuds that I can hear the power led and hate it.
Even a 2kHz rate can be a problem when the implementation is cheap and you get weird harmonics that distort the PWM and might create lower frequency flicker. I’m thinking interactions between cheap power supply voltage/current ripple and LED PWM. I personally don’t know enough about this kind of LED implementation to say what could or couldn’t be happening.
Personally I find flicker stops being a problem above about 60 Hz.
The standard AC frequency in the U.S. is 60 Hz, so…
I meant at or above. I never had problems with NTSC displays running at 60 Hz.
LEDs in general aren’t good for your mental health either. Unless it’s an organic screen (OLED), you’re getting too much blues in your lighting and it will make you crave sunlight. They’ve known this for decades. In the winter, get outside more, not less, you need the full spectrum of the sun.
i thought i read something about a new blue oled (pholed) that was supposed to bring it into some parity with the other 2 in the oled space… so that may not be a source of ‘less blue’ in the future
I looked into it, thanks for the heads up. https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/what-is-pholed/
My guess is that companies want to call themselves OLED and charge those prices while giving an inferior light source. People will spend the money and not get the value from it, the gorgeous colors they can’t get to.
OLED is for better contrast and refresh rate than LCD . There is nothing about the technology that makes its blues “better” than a blue LCD filter.
You’re right, OLED has great reds and LEDs don’t. Thank you for clarifying that.
