• vexikron@lemmy.zip
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    6 months ago

    Pretty misleading title.

    It is known why the rivers are running orange. It is because the permafrost is thawing.

    Sure, the exact, specific process causing the oxidation is being debated by scientists, but … the reason is because the permafrost is thawing.

    Anyway, what this nearly certainly means is that the artic has already blown past the feared warming tipping point and is now releasing methane, which is a much more potent greenhouse gas than CO2.

    This article should be focusing on how this likely indicates that climate change will intensify faster than commonly understood by the general public.

    But instead it diverts from this.

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      Sure, the exact, specific process causing the oxidation is being debated by scientists, but …

      Which makes the title accurate? I didn’t find it misleading at all.

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        It’s more like the article is focusing on the wrong part of this story. The exact mechanism can be debated but we know what’s happening and why: global warming. The article just doesn’t want to acknowledge that so it focuses on the fact that science hasn’t conclusively figured out the mechanism.

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        6 months ago

        It would be like saying “the glass feel of the table, but we don’t know why it hit the ground” just because we do not understand gravity in every way possible.

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          6 months ago

          I don’t like your analogy. We understand the physics of falling pretty well. We do not understand the chemistry of this reaction.

          Maybe “the glass fell because of humans”. Did they push it off a table? Drop it? Place it inn the counter wrong?

          Edit: let me put it this way - the water could turn orange without a melting permafrost right? So while the change in this instance may be triggered by melting permafrost it is not a necessary condition. The cause is something more necessary.

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            6 months ago

            What makes your think that we do not understand the chemistry here?

            Where do we start the “x is caused by y”? The way it actually happened? Then melting permafrost is indeed the first step. If you want to go by how we ended up perceiving it, then you need to start, for example, at how the brown color came to be. Then where that came from. Then what caused it to be made. Etc.

  • Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net
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    6 months ago

    It’s a geochemistry issue.

    In mine closure, artic mines will protect their tailings and waste rock using thermal covers that insulate them from heat, and allow permafrost to form, thus entombing the PAG (Potentially acid generating material - acid drainage presents orange like this too). The frost prevent oxygen (and dissolved oxygen - from water) from interacting with the material, and causing the acid-generating reaction.

    With the thawing of natural permafrost, iron that was frozen (as water soluble reduced iron) is released and then oxidized, causing the orange water.