An analysis of shell fragments shows Israel used U.S.-made white phosphorus munitions in an attack that a rights group says should be investigated as a war crime.
Yeah unpopular opinion around fanatics here, but these are buildings not people. The plan of the war is eliminating future threats like the massacre that happened. If that means eliminating infrastructure, so be it. Hamas used buildings preciously designed for civilians in a war that makes them legitimate targets according to international right.
What goes inside buildings? Is it rocks? Do we store rocks in buildings? Do the people of Gaza store primarily rocks inside their buildings?
It’s people you dense bitch. You know, the moral issue with taking human shields is that it prevents civil people from engaging the target beyond them.
You’re not meant to shoot through the fucking hostage. These are war crimes according to international law because, get this, their strikes are indiscriminate. You’re not allowed to bomb an entire refugee camp because you suspect a single Hamas member is among them. I know, it’s a bizarre concept. Human lives having value or some shit.
I see your point. Still i‘d argue after evacuation notice everybody left is a legitimate target. Free yourself if you are oppressed or die. Sad reality i know and i would be angry as hell myself but what would i expect Israel to do? Let Hamas continue? My life would be the sacrifice i can’t Israel blame to make as i was the retard allowing Hamas to operate that way in the first place.
Since you seem willing to listen to reason I’ll try my best to explain this coherently for the sake of education and not just shitting on you for internet points.
Let’s look at the “evacuation notice” a bit closer. They gave a 24 hour notice to a state that had no power (or water) and no reliable way of instant communication. They claimed later they dropped leaflets. Let’s be charitable and assume every single resident got a leaflet within ten minutes of them making the order. The Northern Strip of Gaza was estimated to have 1.19 million residents of which all were expected to move to the Southern Strip, within 24 hours, or be marked an enemy combatant. No organization, no government assistance, just a notice and threat of death.
It wasn’t a real notice to spare civilians it was the absolute bare minimum they could do so that outside countries wouldn’t question them indiscriminately bombing the Northern Strip, which they’re doing. Hospitals, Schools, every target that would make our stomachs churn at the thought is being shoo’d away with “invisible Hamas tunnels” or “It’s a Hamas base, trust me bro”. I haven’t even found time to explain how about 40% of the Palestinian population are children. I need this to get through to you. They are massacring children in the hopes of getting one or two Hamas members.
I could sit here and write a book about why Israel is so well and truly fucked but please try to look into things when you find the time. They are monsters hoping to god allah you buy their cosplay as a democratic country.
Reading this i see the issues of the notice bit really being one and the unnecessary victims it created. Assuming more time was given and more people would have been evacuated. There would still be some left as hamas kept them as hostages and prevented escape of their own people. How should have Israel approached that dilemma?
To not have let it get to this point. Israel took a pressure cooker, filled it with nails and water, sealed it and put it on a stove. Every step they took to oppress Palestine, encircle them, blockade supplies, furthering tensions until Hamas had the most convincing recruitment speech any insurgency can. “Die fighting or die cowering.”
The IDF created Hamas directly through their actions and if you take a page from the United States, you don’t beat an insurgency with more bombs. We lost to ISIS not because we didn’t have the guns, troops, or munitions but because when you kill militant civilians you create more that want to take up arms. So it’s genocide or retreat.
Israel should willingly give up swaths of land it’s been taking by force so Palestinians can freely leave, trade, and exist without ‘permission’ from Israel. Give them hope and they might not throw their lives away for jihad.
Reading your sketch of Future feels comforting as it would man a future in peace for close to no real sacrifice. Imho that future is made impossible by all surrounding Muslim countries so having elimination of all Jews on their to do list and close to none of them is willing to compromise on that.
For the Jews it’s no game, no cheap land grab like in Ukraine, jews fight because losing means being annihilated. (1949, 1956, 1967,…)
Like those hundreds of the hospital which oops was A) the Hamas themselves and B) only a handful victims as well. Don’t believe all shit that is fed to you ;)
The fictional dead babies Israel reported - the fact that you’re referring to conceptual whattaboutisms to defend Israel should tell anyone everything they need to know about the situation.
Yes, my guy - I’m the propagandised one with the super well funded Hamas media, the poor underfunded Israeli media and propaganda outfits with the full support of the US never stood a chance - listen to yourself.
Are you talking about the hospital Israel bombed that had the “Hamas” tunnels that Israel built, or all the other hospitals, schools, apartments, etc. that Israel bombed to dust?
If there’s been an acceptable handful of Palestinian civilian casualties, Israel doesn’t have a pretext for anything they’re doing - the number of Israeli deaths is a rounding error compared to the number of Palestinian children (let alone broader casualties) the IDF had killed.
Whew that’s a wild statement. I don’t think literally anybody on the planet believes that, and I think saying something like that would make even paid Israeli officials who deal professionally is spouting propoganda blush with shame.
I can only imagine what has gone wrong in your life that you’d be so uniformed about the situation in Gaza, and yet so compelled to shovel the most exaggerated propaganda on the Internet for strangers to downvote. I hope your a paid shill, I truly do. Because if not, then there is likely a lot of trauma behind that screen of yours and I sincerely hope you seek help. Arguing on the Internet isn’t going to fix the pain your dealing with, friend. Log off, take a deep look at yourself and your life, and maybe go find someone to talk to about it. Wishing you luck on your road to recovery from whatever got you to this sad point in your life.
Yes, so far the IDF is showing super human self control. Rarely see that in war.
Pictured: “super human self control”
Yeah unpopular opinion around fanatics here, but these are buildings not people. The plan of the war is eliminating future threats like the massacre that happened. If that means eliminating infrastructure, so be it. Hamas used buildings preciously designed for civilians in a war that makes them legitimate targets according to international right.
What goes inside buildings? Is it rocks? Do we store rocks in buildings? Do the people of Gaza store primarily rocks inside their buildings?
It’s people you dense bitch. You know, the moral issue with taking human shields is that it prevents civil people from engaging the target beyond them.
You’re not meant to shoot through the fucking hostage. These are war crimes according to international law because, get this, their strikes are indiscriminate. You’re not allowed to bomb an entire refugee camp because you suspect a single Hamas member is among them. I know, it’s a bizarre concept. Human lives having value or some shit.
I see your point. Still i‘d argue after evacuation notice everybody left is a legitimate target. Free yourself if you are oppressed or die. Sad reality i know and i would be angry as hell myself but what would i expect Israel to do? Let Hamas continue? My life would be the sacrifice i can’t Israel blame to make as i was the retard allowing Hamas to operate that way in the first place.
Since you seem willing to listen to reason I’ll try my best to explain this coherently for the sake of education and not just shitting on you for internet points.
Let’s look at the “evacuation notice” a bit closer. They gave a 24 hour notice to a state that had no power (or water) and no reliable way of instant communication. They claimed later they dropped leaflets. Let’s be charitable and assume every single resident got a leaflet within ten minutes of them making the order. The Northern Strip of Gaza was estimated to have 1.19 million residents of which all were expected to move to the Southern Strip, within 24 hours, or be marked an enemy combatant. No organization, no government assistance, just a notice and threat of death.
It wasn’t a real notice to spare civilians it was the absolute bare minimum they could do so that outside countries wouldn’t question them indiscriminately bombing the Northern Strip, which they’re doing. Hospitals, Schools, every target that would make our stomachs churn at the thought is being shoo’d away with “invisible Hamas tunnels” or “It’s a Hamas base, trust me bro”. I haven’t even found time to explain how about 40% of the Palestinian population are children. I need this to get through to you. They are massacring children in the hopes of getting one or two Hamas members.
I could sit here and write a book about why Israel is so well and truly fucked but please try to look into things when you find the time. They are monsters hoping to
godallah you buy their cosplay as a democratic country.His account is one day old. He’s probably just an alt of one of the known IDF shills on here.
Never know, could be a late Reddit refugee and just be getting into these kinds of discussions.
Just discovered lemmy / voyager through an article and looked likea good alternative to reddit.
Reading this i see the issues of the notice bit really being one and the unnecessary victims it created. Assuming more time was given and more people would have been evacuated. There would still be some left as hamas kept them as hostages and prevented escape of their own people. How should have Israel approached that dilemma?
To not have let it get to this point. Israel took a pressure cooker, filled it with nails and water, sealed it and put it on a stove. Every step they took to oppress Palestine, encircle them, blockade supplies, furthering tensions until Hamas had the most convincing recruitment speech any insurgency can. “Die fighting or die cowering.”
The IDF created Hamas directly through their actions and if you take a page from the United States, you don’t beat an insurgency with more bombs. We lost to ISIS not because we didn’t have the guns, troops, or munitions but because when you kill militant civilians you create more that want to take up arms. So it’s genocide or retreat.
Israel should willingly give up swaths of land it’s been taking by force so Palestinians can freely leave, trade, and exist without ‘permission’ from Israel. Give them hope and they might not throw their lives away for jihad.
Reading your sketch of Future feels comforting as it would man a future in peace for close to no real sacrifice. Imho that future is made impossible by all surrounding Muslim countries so having elimination of all Jews on their to do list and close to none of them is willing to compromise on that. For the Jews it’s no game, no cheap land grab like in Ukraine, jews fight because losing means being annihilated. (1949, 1956, 1967,…)
would you accept that rationale if it was your home? of course you wouldn’t.
I literally mentioned that on the same comment.
Yeah - they’ve really managed to keep those Hamas casualties to a handful as they’ve slaughtered thousands of Palestinian kids.
Like those hundreds of the hospital which oops was A) the Hamas themselves and B) only a handful victims as well. Don’t believe all shit that is fed to you ;)
Where are those decapitated babies at? ;)
If Hamas manages GenAI may be they can actually provide convincing pictures, but your never see UN watchers confirming it obviously.
The fictional dead babies Israel reported - the fact that you’re referring to conceptual whattaboutisms to defend Israel should tell anyone everything they need to know about the situation.
Yes, my guy - I’m the propagandised one with the super well funded Hamas media, the poor underfunded Israeli media and propaganda outfits with the full support of the US never stood a chance - listen to yourself.
Are you talking about the hospital Israel bombed that had the “Hamas” tunnels that Israel built, or all the other hospitals, schools, apartments, etc. that Israel bombed to dust?
If there’s been an acceptable handful of Palestinian civilian casualties, Israel doesn’t have a pretext for anything they’re doing - the number of Israeli deaths is a rounding error compared to the number of Palestinian children (let alone broader casualties) the IDF had killed.
Whew that’s a wild statement. I don’t think literally anybody on the planet believes that, and I think saying something like that would make even paid Israeli officials who deal professionally is spouting propoganda blush with shame.
I can only imagine what has gone wrong in your life that you’d be so uniformed about the situation in Gaza, and yet so compelled to shovel the most exaggerated propaganda on the Internet for strangers to downvote. I hope your a paid shill, I truly do. Because if not, then there is likely a lot of trauma behind that screen of yours and I sincerely hope you seek help. Arguing on the Internet isn’t going to fix the pain your dealing with, friend. Log off, take a deep look at yourself and your life, and maybe go find someone to talk to about it. Wishing you luck on your road to recovery from whatever got you to this sad point in your life.
A lot of words for mimimi i wanna be a Hamas supporter and be against Israel no matter what.
Fuck Hamas and fuck Israel. They are both terroristic organizations now.
…Only one of them has the means to deliver on their genocidal intent.
That means absolutely nothing to me, just the fact that they’re both trying is enough