An analysis of shell fragments shows Israel used U.S.-made white phosphorus munitions in an attack that a rights group says should be investigated as a war crime.
What goes inside buildings? Is it rocks? Do we store rocks in buildings? Do the people of Gaza store primarily rocks inside their buildings?
It’s people you dense bitch. You know, the moral issue with taking human shields is that it prevents civil people from engaging the target beyond them.
You’re not meant to shoot through the fucking hostage. These are war crimes according to international law because, get this, their strikes are indiscriminate. You’re not allowed to bomb an entire refugee camp because you suspect a single Hamas member is among them. I know, it’s a bizarre concept. Human lives having value or some shit.
I see your point. Still i‘d argue after evacuation notice everybody left is a legitimate target. Free yourself if you are oppressed or die. Sad reality i know and i would be angry as hell myself but what would i expect Israel to do? Let Hamas continue? My life would be the sacrifice i can’t Israel blame to make as i was the retard allowing Hamas to operate that way in the first place.
Since you seem willing to listen to reason I’ll try my best to explain this coherently for the sake of education and not just shitting on you for internet points.
Let’s look at the “evacuation notice” a bit closer. They gave a 24 hour notice to a state that had no power (or water) and no reliable way of instant communication. They claimed later they dropped leaflets. Let’s be charitable and assume every single resident got a leaflet within ten minutes of them making the order. The Northern Strip of Gaza was estimated to have 1.19 million residents of which all were expected to move to the Southern Strip, within 24 hours, or be marked an enemy combatant. No organization, no government assistance, just a notice and threat of death.
It wasn’t a real notice to spare civilians it was the absolute bare minimum they could do so that outside countries wouldn’t question them indiscriminately bombing the Northern Strip, which they’re doing. Hospitals, Schools, every target that would make our stomachs churn at the thought is being shoo’d away with “invisible Hamas tunnels” or “It’s a Hamas base, trust me bro”. I haven’t even found time to explain how about 40% of the Palestinian population are children. I need this to get through to you. They are massacring children in the hopes of getting one or two Hamas members.
I could sit here and write a book about why Israel is so well and truly fucked but please try to look into things when you find the time. They are monsters hoping to god allah you buy their cosplay as a democratic country.
Reading this i see the issues of the notice bit really being one and the unnecessary victims it created. Assuming more time was given and more people would have been evacuated. There would still be some left as hamas kept them as hostages and prevented escape of their own people. How should have Israel approached that dilemma?
To not have let it get to this point. Israel took a pressure cooker, filled it with nails and water, sealed it and put it on a stove. Every step they took to oppress Palestine, encircle them, blockade supplies, furthering tensions until Hamas had the most convincing recruitment speech any insurgency can. “Die fighting or die cowering.”
The IDF created Hamas directly through their actions and if you take a page from the United States, you don’t beat an insurgency with more bombs. We lost to ISIS not because we didn’t have the guns, troops, or munitions but because when you kill militant civilians you create more that want to take up arms. So it’s genocide or retreat.
Israel should willingly give up swaths of land it’s been taking by force so Palestinians can freely leave, trade, and exist without ‘permission’ from Israel. Give them hope and they might not throw their lives away for jihad.
Reading your sketch of Future feels comforting as it would man a future in peace for close to no real sacrifice. Imho that future is made impossible by all surrounding Muslim countries so having elimination of all Jews on their to do list and close to none of them is willing to compromise on that.
For the Jews it’s no game, no cheap land grab like in Ukraine, jews fight because losing means being annihilated. (1949, 1956, 1967,…)
They forfeit their right to exist when they began an unmitigated genocide of unarmed civilians. The lies and deception to get there are only to obfuscate that fact. They are looking to annihilate Palestine.
I don’t agree, genocide is a drastic overstatement and not fair to actual genocides. Are civilians displaced? Yes. Are civilians casualties higher than they should? Yes. None if that is anywhere close to the scale of intent of a genocide.
And considering the history of their neighbours aggression i‘d argue it’s the other way around. If anyone ever really tried to eliminate the other, the jews can claim the victimhood here for sure.
With how many civilians they’ve killed, it’s unreasonable to call it anything but a genocide. If there were less casualties it would be open to interpretation but when literal genocide researchers, the people who would know the most on this topic, are calling this a genocide… yeah I think it’s tough to argue against.
What goes inside buildings? Is it rocks? Do we store rocks in buildings? Do the people of Gaza store primarily rocks inside their buildings?
It’s people you dense bitch. You know, the moral issue with taking human shields is that it prevents civil people from engaging the target beyond them.
You’re not meant to shoot through the fucking hostage. These are war crimes according to international law because, get this, their strikes are indiscriminate. You’re not allowed to bomb an entire refugee camp because you suspect a single Hamas member is among them. I know, it’s a bizarre concept. Human lives having value or some shit.
I see your point. Still i‘d argue after evacuation notice everybody left is a legitimate target. Free yourself if you are oppressed or die. Sad reality i know and i would be angry as hell myself but what would i expect Israel to do? Let Hamas continue? My life would be the sacrifice i can’t Israel blame to make as i was the retard allowing Hamas to operate that way in the first place.
Since you seem willing to listen to reason I’ll try my best to explain this coherently for the sake of education and not just shitting on you for internet points.
Let’s look at the “evacuation notice” a bit closer. They gave a 24 hour notice to a state that had no power (or water) and no reliable way of instant communication. They claimed later they dropped leaflets. Let’s be charitable and assume every single resident got a leaflet within ten minutes of them making the order. The Northern Strip of Gaza was estimated to have 1.19 million residents of which all were expected to move to the Southern Strip, within 24 hours, or be marked an enemy combatant. No organization, no government assistance, just a notice and threat of death.
It wasn’t a real notice to spare civilians it was the absolute bare minimum they could do so that outside countries wouldn’t question them indiscriminately bombing the Northern Strip, which they’re doing. Hospitals, Schools, every target that would make our stomachs churn at the thought is being shoo’d away with “invisible Hamas tunnels” or “It’s a Hamas base, trust me bro”. I haven’t even found time to explain how about 40% of the Palestinian population are children. I need this to get through to you. They are massacring children in the hopes of getting one or two Hamas members.
I could sit here and write a book about why Israel is so well and truly fucked but please try to look into things when you find the time. They are monsters hoping to
godallah you buy their cosplay as a democratic country.His account is one day old. He’s probably just an alt of one of the known IDF shills on here.
Never know, could be a late Reddit refugee and just be getting into these kinds of discussions.
Just discovered lemmy / voyager through an article and looked likea good alternative to reddit.
Reading this i see the issues of the notice bit really being one and the unnecessary victims it created. Assuming more time was given and more people would have been evacuated. There would still be some left as hamas kept them as hostages and prevented escape of their own people. How should have Israel approached that dilemma?
To not have let it get to this point. Israel took a pressure cooker, filled it with nails and water, sealed it and put it on a stove. Every step they took to oppress Palestine, encircle them, blockade supplies, furthering tensions until Hamas had the most convincing recruitment speech any insurgency can. “Die fighting or die cowering.”
The IDF created Hamas directly through their actions and if you take a page from the United States, you don’t beat an insurgency with more bombs. We lost to ISIS not because we didn’t have the guns, troops, or munitions but because when you kill militant civilians you create more that want to take up arms. So it’s genocide or retreat.
Israel should willingly give up swaths of land it’s been taking by force so Palestinians can freely leave, trade, and exist without ‘permission’ from Israel. Give them hope and they might not throw their lives away for jihad.
Reading your sketch of Future feels comforting as it would man a future in peace for close to no real sacrifice. Imho that future is made impossible by all surrounding Muslim countries so having elimination of all Jews on their to do list and close to none of them is willing to compromise on that. For the Jews it’s no game, no cheap land grab like in Ukraine, jews fight because losing means being annihilated. (1949, 1956, 1967,…)
They forfeit their right to exist when they began an unmitigated genocide of unarmed civilians. The lies and deception to get there are only to obfuscate that fact. They are looking to annihilate Palestine.
I don’t agree, genocide is a drastic overstatement and not fair to actual genocides. Are civilians displaced? Yes. Are civilians casualties higher than they should? Yes. None if that is anywhere close to the scale of intent of a genocide. And considering the history of their neighbours aggression i‘d argue it’s the other way around. If anyone ever really tried to eliminate the other, the jews can claim the victimhood here for sure.
With how many civilians they’ve killed, it’s unreasonable to call it anything but a genocide. If there were less casualties it would be open to interpretation but when literal genocide researchers, the people who would know the most on this topic, are calling this a genocide… yeah I think it’s tough to argue against.
would you accept that rationale if it was your home? of course you wouldn’t.
I literally mentioned that on the same comment.