Hans, are we the baddies?
Emphatically yes
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White phosphorus is traditionally used for the smoke as concealment. Israel used it as a weapon. While the U.S. government definitely has blood on its hands, I don’t think the intention was to supply obvious internationally banned munitions to Israel.
Or at least I hope not.
Israel has been using white phosphorus for decades. There’s no way the US didn’t know about this.
Oh there’s no doubt the people sending them have blindfolds on but I’m sure the ‘munitions’ are being sent in cannisters meant for concealment and are being tampered with by Israel after to be a war crime. I don’t think the United States is sending them “war crime ready”. Not a big difference of course but noteworthy I guess.
I’m pretty sure there isn’t any tampering needed to be done. It just depends on what your target is. Are you targeting people or open terrain? They are already “war crime ready”, and will be used for war crimes if you give them to war criminals.
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Israel used U.S.-supplied white phosphorus munitions in an October attack in southern Lebanon that injured at least nine civilians in what a rights group says should be investigated as a war crime, according to a Washington Post analysis of shell fragments found in a small village.
The Pentagon requires partner militaries to acknowledge obligations under international law when they accept U.S. weapons, “including that these munitions are only to be used for lawful purposes such as signaling and smoke screening,” a U.S. defense official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.
It is unclear when the United States delivered the munitions to Israel. The official said no white phosphorous munitions have been provided since the Oct. 7 Hamas attack.
White phosphorus fell onto several homes and ignited fires, incinerating furniture and stripping appliances to scorched metal. Remnants of the sticky, black chemical littered the ground 40 days after the attack and combusted when residents kicked at it.
In 2013, the Israeli military pledged to stop using white phosphorus on the battlefield, saying it would transition to gas-based smoke shells.
Lebanese Prime Minister Najib Mikati said on Dec. 2 that Israel’s use of the munition has “killed civilians and produced irreversible damage to more than 5 million square meters of forests and farmland, in addition to damaging thousands of olive trees.”
Yeah I remember hearing about Israel using white phosphorus in college and being aghast and upset and trying to tell people about how horrible it was… And that was apparently after they said they were done using it in 2013 and it’s been 8 years since I’ve been in college. Christ they love to torture people.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The rounds, which eject felt wedges saturated with white phosphorous that burns at high temperatures, produce billowing smoke to obscure troop movements as it falls haphazardly over a wide area.
Lot production codes found on the shells match the nomenclature used by the U.S. military to categorize domestically produced munitions, which show they were made by ammunition depots in Louisiana and Arkansas in 1989 and 1992.
Tensions along Lebanon’s southern border between Israeli forces and Hezbollah, the Iranian-backed militia, have boiled over from a simmer to near-daily exchanges of fire in the weeks since Oct. 7.
Photos and videos verified by Amnesty International and reviewed by The Post show the characteristic ribbons of white phosphorus smoke falling over Dheira on Oct. 16.
“The fact that U.S.-produced white phosphorus is being used by Israel in south Lebanon should be of great concern to U.S. officials,” Tirana Hassan, the executive director of Human Rights Watch, wrote in an email.
Israel has used the munition more than 60 times in Lebanon’s border areas in the past two months, according to data collected by ACLED, a group that monitors war zones.
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It says four houses burned down and 9 people were injured. It doesn’t sound like they were sticking to lighting up the battlefield. Plus, the way Israel has conducted this war so far doesn’t inspire confidence that they’re following the rules of war. They’ve already destroyed civilian infrastructure, targeted civilians, killed dozens of journalists, etc.
I usually make sure to condemn Hamas any time I talk about the Gaza war but this was in Lebanon. So, I say the “Fuck” word to Hezbollah this time. Hamas is still condemned, though.
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Wait until you learn about Bibi.
Israel is a genocidal apartheid state.
It is not a free state, unless you’re white Jewish.
If you’re black Jewish they sterilise you, if you’re not Jewish they lock you up, steal your native lands and bomb and murder you and your descendants for 70 years.
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Okay if that’s your justification for supporting genocide, you do you champ!
The only reason this is reported on and talked about specifically is because people think white phosphorous is illegal and immoral to use, which is based on a terrible understanding of the laws of war.
Uhh, yeah, it’s legal to use for illumination and smoke screens, not to target people. Do you think Israel was using it for a smokescreen in one of the most densely populated places in the world?
Did you see the video? This strike landed on farms in Lebanon, not cities in Gaza.
Furthermore, it’s legal to target people, but not civilians and also not civilian objects or forests. It is legal to use it as a smoke screen, for signalling or for illumination regardless of where it is used.
Yes, so far the IDF is showing super human self control. Rarely see that in war.
Pictured: “super human self control”
Yeah unpopular opinion around fanatics here, but these are buildings not people. The plan of the war is eliminating future threats like the massacre that happened. If that means eliminating infrastructure, so be it. Hamas used buildings preciously designed for civilians in a war that makes them legitimate targets according to international right.
What goes inside buildings? Is it rocks? Do we store rocks in buildings? Do the people of Gaza store primarily rocks inside their buildings?
It’s people you dense bitch. You know, the moral issue with taking human shields is that it prevents civil people from engaging the target beyond them.
You’re not meant to shoot through the fucking hostage. These are war crimes according to international law because, get this, their strikes are indiscriminate. You’re not allowed to bomb an entire refugee camp because you suspect a single Hamas member is among them. I know, it’s a bizarre concept. Human lives having value or some shit.
I see your point. Still i‘d argue after evacuation notice everybody left is a legitimate target. Free yourself if you are oppressed or die. Sad reality i know and i would be angry as hell myself but what would i expect Israel to do? Let Hamas continue? My life would be the sacrifice i can’t Israel blame to make as i was the retard allowing Hamas to operate that way in the first place.
Since you seem willing to listen to reason I’ll try my best to explain this coherently for the sake of education and not just shitting on you for internet points.
Let’s look at the “evacuation notice” a bit closer. They gave a 24 hour notice to a state that had no power (or water) and no reliable way of instant communication. They claimed later they dropped leaflets. Let’s be charitable and assume every single resident got a leaflet within ten minutes of them making the order. The Northern Strip of Gaza was estimated to have 1.19 million residents of which all were expected to move to the Southern Strip, within 24 hours, or be marked an enemy combatant. No organization, no government assistance, just a notice and threat of death.
It wasn’t a real notice to spare civilians it was the absolute bare minimum they could do so that outside countries wouldn’t question them indiscriminately bombing the Northern Strip, which they’re doing. Hospitals, Schools, every target that would make our stomachs churn at the thought is being shoo’d away with “invisible Hamas tunnels” or “It’s a Hamas base, trust me bro”. I haven’t even found time to explain how about 40% of the Palestinian population are children. I need this to get through to you. They are massacring children in the hopes of getting one or two Hamas members.
I could sit here and write a book about why Israel is so well and truly fucked but please try to look into things when you find the time. They are monsters hoping to
godallah you buy their cosplay as a democratic country.i‘d argue after evacuation notice everybody left is a legitimate target.
would you accept that rationale if it was your home? of course you wouldn’t.
Yeah - they’ve really managed to keep those Hamas casualties to a handful as they’ve slaughtered thousands of Palestinian kids.
Like those hundreds of the hospital which oops was A) the Hamas themselves and B) only a handful victims as well. Don’t believe all shit that is fed to you ;)
Where are those decapitated babies at? ;)
If Hamas manages GenAI may be they can actually provide convincing pictures, but your never see UN watchers confirming it obviously.
The fictional dead babies Israel reported - the fact that you’re referring to conceptual whattaboutisms to defend Israel should tell anyone everything they need to know about the situation.
Yes, my guy - I’m the propagandised one with the super well funded Hamas media, the poor underfunded Israeli media and propaganda outfits with the full support of the US never stood a chance - listen to yourself.
Are you talking about the hospital Israel bombed that had the “Hamas” tunnels that Israel built, or all the other hospitals, schools, apartments, etc. that Israel bombed to dust?
If there’s been an acceptable handful of Palestinian civilian casualties, Israel doesn’t have a pretext for anything they’re doing - the number of Israeli deaths is a rounding error compared to the number of Palestinian children (let alone broader casualties) the IDF had killed.
Whew that’s a wild statement. I don’t think literally anybody on the planet believes that, and I think saying something like that would make even paid Israeli officials who deal professionally is spouting propoganda blush with shame.
I can only imagine what has gone wrong in your life that you’d be so uniformed about the situation in Gaza, and yet so compelled to shovel the most exaggerated propaganda on the Internet for strangers to downvote. I hope your a paid shill, I truly do. Because if not, then there is likely a lot of trauma behind that screen of yours and I sincerely hope you seek help. Arguing on the Internet isn’t going to fix the pain your dealing with, friend. Log off, take a deep look at yourself and your life, and maybe go find someone to talk to about it. Wishing you luck on your road to recovery from whatever got you to this sad point in your life.
A lot of words for mimimi i wanna be a Hamas supporter and be against Israel no matter what.
Fuck Hamas and fuck Israel. They are both terroristic organizations now.
…Only one of them has the means to deliver on their genocidal intent.
That means absolutely nothing to me, just the fact that they’re both trying is enough
The use of white phosphorous in this manner is a war crime.
Why are you making excuses for war crimes, my guy?
Amnesty has made the accusation that it’s a war crime, but Amnesty gets things wrong, and above all they’re calling for an investigation:
One attack on the town of Dhayra on 16 October must be investigated as a war crime
They then said why:
because it was an indiscriminate attack that injured at least nine civilians and damaged civilian objects, and was therefore unlawful
The IDF’s indiscriminate attacks are the ones in Gaza where they kill hundreds or thousands of Palestinians at a time, not where a couple of incendiaries land on some houses amid some fields and injured nine people. Amnesty is also wrong here (and they absolutely know the law, so I would say they are lying) - injuring civilians and damaging civilian objects is not unlawful in war; doing so deliberately or negligently is unlawful.
I am not making excuses for war crimes “my guy” and if you don’t like it when people get technical with the law then there are better complaints to make.
