Let’s be more specific. I condemn shooting civilians at a music festival AND I condemn Israel bombing children. One of these does not justify the other.
Most of the casualties that day were military. Of the civilians casualties, a sizeable portion if not majority were killed by the IDF. As the electronic intifada pointed out, the IDF spent the course of a day bombing people with Apache helicopters, and accounts from Israeli hostages and security personnel confirm the shelling and bombing of houses that had civilians in them. This has been confirmed by Mondoweiss.
There is growing evidence that indicates that Hamas along with the other fighters in the coalition were indeed acting defensively.
What do you think is happening here? You’re in the communist instance; your accepted worldview isn’t universal.
I don’t accept that it’s been proven that Hamas fighters wholly slaughtered civilians at the music festival.
I’m sure there were some civilian casualties, but the IDF has pretty conclusively proved that they don’t mind shooting through their own citizens to hit militants.
Your acceptance of the zionist-propagated view of the 10/7 operation shows that your initial condemnation of both sides is only surface level.
You’ve chosen a side, and it’s the side of occupation.
In my opinion it’s not a good idea to play the liberals’ game of supporting only the good rebels (the ones that Western media tells Westerners to like) because it is disingenuous and idealistic from the get go. Liberals picking sides like sports team while sitting in their colonial ivory tower hinges on a complete disregard for history and colonial realities. It would be super cool if the largest armed organization in Palestine was leftist and secular but Hamas is the preponderant organisation for a reason. Israel has specifically worked to make Islamic fundamentalists the face of Palestinian resistance because they are easier to deligitimise. This is in line with the wider history of colonial powers robbing sovreignty from the Arab world.
Also, if you look at history, those who liberals considers “good rebels” were usually either reactionaries that rebelled against the liberation, got killed off or at best turned their country from colonial to neocolonial. Ever relevant example is Vendee, which was rebellion explicitly aimed against liberals, but they praise it anyway since it was reactionary even when the bar was much higher.
I absolutely agree! I was trying to coyly bring it around to supporting Hamas (like, if I support the “good rebels” and they directly support Hamas, then I do too, at least for now).
I was thinking that could cut off the usual talking points, but I could probably work on it.
But do you condemn Hamas?
Yep. Shit’s easy.
I think that’s what you’re missing. The Zionist state is indiscriminately murdering Palestinians, and has been for decades.
Hamas actions to fight back should be widely supported.
They have a UN affirmed right to armed resistance.
And they’re resisting.
Let’s be more specific. I condemn shooting civilians at a music festival AND I condemn Israel bombing children. One of these does not justify the other.
Most of the casualties that day were military. Of the civilians casualties, a sizeable portion if not majority were killed by the IDF. As the electronic intifada pointed out, the IDF spent the course of a day bombing people with Apache helicopters, and accounts from Israeli hostages and security personnel confirm the shelling and bombing of houses that had civilians in them. This has been confirmed by Mondoweiss.
There is growing evidence that indicates that Hamas along with the other fighters in the coalition were indeed acting defensively.
So you oppose the zionist slaughter of innocents, but accept their framing of the 10/7 operation?
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What do you think is happening here? You’re in the communist instance; your accepted worldview isn’t universal.
I don’t accept that it’s been proven that Hamas fighters wholly slaughtered civilians at the music festival.
I’m sure there were some civilian casualties, but the IDF has pretty conclusively proved that they don’t mind shooting through their own citizens to hit militants.
Your acceptance of the zionist-propagated view of the 10/7 operation shows that your initial condemnation of both sides is only surface level.
You’ve chosen a side, and it’s the side of occupation.
Were the Haitian slaves wrong to rebel?
Let me extend an olive branch and make this very simple (from a Western perspective)
Our tax dollars are paying for bombs being sent to Israel to be dropped on children. That ain’t right. Turn that tap off
I’m in agreement. I guess that’s the important part!
yikes. There are actual Hamas supporters here?
Hamas is based and I hope they win
I support the fighters in the PFLP, the secular communists.
They’re fighting alongside Hamas, though.
In my opinion it’s not a good idea to play the liberals’ game of supporting only the good rebels (the ones that Western media tells Westerners to like) because it is disingenuous and idealistic from the get go. Liberals picking sides like sports team while sitting in their colonial ivory tower hinges on a complete disregard for history and colonial realities. It would be super cool if the largest armed organization in Palestine was leftist and secular but Hamas is the preponderant organisation for a reason. Israel has specifically worked to make Islamic fundamentalists the face of Palestinian resistance because they are easier to deligitimise. This is in line with the wider history of colonial powers robbing sovreignty from the Arab world.
Also, if you look at history, those who liberals considers “good rebels” were usually either reactionaries that rebelled against the liberation, got killed off or at best turned their country from colonial to neocolonial. Ever relevant example is Vendee, which was rebellion explicitly aimed against liberals, but they praise it anyway since it was reactionary even when the bar was much higher.
I absolutely agree! I was trying to coyly bring it around to supporting Hamas (like, if I support the “good rebels” and they directly support Hamas, then I do too, at least for now).
I was thinking that could cut off the usual talking points, but I could probably work on it.
Yikes. Where are they so I can give them a medal?
We are all Hamas on this blessed day
I think it’s important to remember that Israel funded Hamas and suppressed other more peaceful groups