“Geez, they’re not snipers! They’re just using the sniper scope as a telescope! They’re not for use as actual snipers! We just gotta use them to look at the evil protestors!”"
“These are not weapons trained at your precious little foreheads, they’re Democracy Spreaders™’. You go to class & learn all about democracy & when you exit the building, we use these to spread all that democracy stored up in your brains all over the wall behind you.“
Managed democracy is a joke too close to reality.
Managed democracy is not a joke.
The fact that a rifle is attached to the telescope is just a funny coincidence
Just a matter of time before we have another Kent State.
My fear is that the next one will be worse.
With the artillery that’s out there these days, it’s almost a certainty.
Plus the police which seem even more bloodthirsty
Police have been taught that the only way to deal with anyone who doesn’t immediately comply is through violence. And increased militarization doesn’t help. We live in a police state but the narratives created by the ruling class have made people forget it
But what if a nuclear bomb drives a truck through the crowd and stabs everyone?? Please disregard the police beating and gassing people over there, think about how horrible it would be if a bad actor made it in there!
And happen because a foreign country willed it so.
It was really close at UT. State police, city police, and national guard called in by spineless university president (Jay Hartzell).
Fuck Jay Hartzell. Hope he gets recalled. No golden parachute.
The fact that no charges are being filed should result in a strong condemnation and accountability for the administration and the cops. You put everyone in danger when no crime was being committed. There won’t be, but there should be.
Don’t forget about Jackson State.
The event happened 11 days after the Kent State shootings
It feels like these protests are going to shape how the governments of the world will respond to mass unrest in the future.
Or in other words - those in charge want the common person to be disempowered, to frame a peaceful protest as an act of terrorism so they can be more aggressive in future.
Hopefully no one on either side does anything stupid.
These reactions by the US to a student protest are nothing new and the fact they haven’t sent in the army and killed anyone yet shows it’s not even as bad as it historically has been.
Not everything a shithole like America does dictates what the rest of the world does.
they haven’t sent in the army and killed anyone yet shows it’s not even as bad as it historically has been.
To be worse than Lukashenko is real achivement.
In the future?
Ask any student population in the past who were shot, beaten, tasered, hosed down with water cannons, and jailed what they thought would happen to future protesters.
The shape of silencing unrest, especially anti-war or liberal unrest, hasn’t changed at all. And it will look just the same a decade from now.
If those snipers were to shoot someone, the protests would be twice the size the next day.
Look what happened when Nixon, Reagan and Trump escalated violence in response to protests.
Nixon’s in songs for killiing Ohioans.
From Wiki, sadly: “President Richard Nixon, who is criticized in the song, won a landslide reelection in 1972, which included winning the 1972 United States presidential election in Ohio by a margin of over 21%.”
Nation-level gerrymandering
You can’t gerrymander the presidential election. There are no districts in that election.
You can however influence it with bribes, coercion, and intimidation.
You can’t gerrymander the presidential election.
*in countries where voting for president means voting for president, not voting for someone who maybe will vote for president
There are no districts in that election.
States.
You can however influence it with bribes, coercion, and intimidation.
True.
Yes. That was the election Nixon was actively cheating in, given that the Watergate commission was able to trace it right up to the president.
Yes but it would be nice if the government would listen to us before someone dies.
It would totally be nice. That’s why it’s enshrined in the first amendment that you have the right to petition your representatives for the redress of grievances. Sadly, they do not act on those petitions (Professor Lessig has studies, and crabby calls and letters to your Senator have a net zero effect) which how protests escalate to civil disobedience (to sabotage and eventually civil war).
But it’s interesting how quickly police are turning to anti-riot responses, and our government officials are supporting them. It’s noted in COIN (counter insurgency) that brutality against protests only increases public sympathy and support for the movement (which has been consistent with incidents in the past decade, the US unrest and protests after the killing of George Floyd in 2020 being a run of examples.) I suspect it’s less 4D chess and more like Trump being angry and wishing to assert his authority.
But our officials, the plutocrats they serve and law enforcement all regard the US Public as the enemy, and have been consistent about it since the 9/11 attacks. It’s one of the factors that’s been driving us towards civil war, or the end of our democratic features and one-party autocracy.
This shit has been going on for decades. I went through the Pittsburgh G20 more than a decade ago. Same shit.
No one should allow their children to attend that school. Everyone protesting should unenroll and switch to better school.
Also the administration should be fired and arrested for allowing school shooters on their fucking roof. What the fuck.
They don’t really have say. Blame the state government.
They asked police to come on campus and forcefully end the protests.
You can always count on a demented righty, often an off-duty cop, to show up dressed as a lefty to light a fire, break a window, or shoot someone. That’s why they’re always using that exact accusation against leftists, because they’re actually doing it.
too late
Tin soldiers and Nixon coming
We’re finally on our own
This summer I hear the drumming
Four dead in Ohio
Gotta get down to it, soldiers are cutting us down
Should have been gone long ago
What if you knew her and found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?
For those who don’t know it. https://youtu.be/h-w_V0ikniA?si=oacP4alhBgcRGBrq
minus tracking link
Thank you. I am an idiot.
yt’s been sneaky about it lately-- when you copy the link even if it doesn’t show the ?si= part when you copy it can appear when you paste
makes vaguely angry noises Noted for the future.
Thanks! I am 43 and had no idea that Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young had ever collaborated.
Pretty sure Nixon was napping
the land of the free
Never has been. National anthem notwithstanding the United States has always been land of the richest getting what they want.
Hell the entire history of the United States is basically, we want something so we’re going to have it, and if there’s inconvenient people in the way then those inconvenient people will go away or die. The US had race separation until as recently as the 1960s. Wherever was the freedom?
It’s like it was almost designed for the rich to begin with.
Isn’t USSA the land of religions? They even have it in their motto.
That’s a remnant of the previous Cold War that we engaged in, it wasn’t supposed to be that way. The founding fathers specifically separated church and state.
That’s a remnant of the previous Cold War that we engaged in
Really? All of this religiousness of brain is because other side of the Pacific Bathtub wasn’t religious?
France?
oui oui
Liberté, égalité, fraternité
What? The “land of the free”?
Whoever told you that is your enemyNow something must be done
About vengeance, a badge, and a gun
This seems so incredibly ill-advised. If students become martyred by trigger-happy snipers, these protests will boil over into open violence. Imagine thousands of videos flooding social media in an instant showing student corpses. I fear that gasoline has been poured and matches are being lit everywhere.
There won’t be any meaningful amount of violence. People in the US are total bitches when it comes to actually fighting the system. At worst, there will be a riot, where the most predominant activity is looting, and then the National Guard will be called in and everyone will roll over like they always do.
To be fair it’s kind of hard to not roll over to the National Guard
I think we could deal with the National Guard if people were motivated enough. Even I’m surprised with the shit some people get their hands on here. There’s plenty of people that treat the Second Amendment like a religion, and plenty of others that love blowing shit up for fun.
Username checks out…
We’ll get some kickass industrial songs about it in 15 years though.
There ain’t gonna be a 15 years from now.
Sir, this ain’t the exciting dystopia, this is the boring dystopia.
Totally not true lol. Jan 6th, LA riots of the 90s, the various riots during the height of BLM movements, Seattle, Unite the Right rally both sides.
People are upset, they cause damage and even sometimes try to assassinate people. The US probably faces more domestic terrorism than most places.
We have a very strong police state
The People didn’t cause damage in Portland as much as the fucking pigs lit fires and defaced buildings to then blame the protestors for it, FYI. Caught on video from multiple angles and everything, yet still nothing in the way of consequences. “Police state”, you say? It’s fascism in a candy wrapper.
Lol okay my point stands people are constantly in the streets fighting.
Fascism is a police state, a police state is fascism.
Why are you fuckin mad? lmfao
People are not “constantly in the streets fighting”, you nonce.
There is also more to “fascism” than simply “police state”.
Are you purposefully stupid, or just lazy? Smart money’s on you thinking your username was spelled with an “e” when it’s correctly spelled with an “a”.
you’re being dumb yes they are we can literally sit here all day and go through different ways people have attempted to resist the government from Waco and MOVE to the many many many many many domestic terrorist attacks. We can talk about civil rights movements from MLK to Black Panthers to BLM. Occupy Wall Street, Unite the Right Rally(counter protestors), numerous school demonstrations from Kent State to walk outs to what’s happening today for Palestine.
They’re always fighting.
What is it with Ohio and murdering college protesters? (See: Kent State)
We should treat them like snipers? ie. We should rush them and neutralise the threat they pose?
Rocket jump up there and disrupt them, that’s your job as a soldier
As a former pyro main: w+m1 with a back burner.
Use jetpack
When you play as pyro, do you get the rainbows and song?
That would be foolhardy: I so want to take this one step further for imaginary karma but don’t want to be on a list
I mean, obviously question: how does one treat them as if they are?
(Make them say the quiet part out loud)
Ideally, countersnipers
If everyone’s a sniper, we’re all safe.
That’s literally how it works, and the Black Panthers proved it a long time ago. The cops stay peaceful when the protesters are heavily armed and heavily organized, because cops are fucking cowards who don’t want an actual fight
Reposting this because it’s relevant here too: A scenario like this is what led to the formation of the Black Panthers during the civil rights era, and subsequently led to gun control laws being started by republicans. During the civil rights protests, people quickly realized that peaceful protests were violently broken. But heavily armed peaceful protests had police nervously watching from across the street.
Because police had no qualms about firing into an unarmed crowd to get people to disperse. But when the entire crowd is armed to the teeth and can immediately return fire, the police are suddenly okay with watching from afar. This was the start of the Black Panthers; a group who organized heavily armed protests.
When conservative lawmakers saw a bunch of heavily armed black people (and allies) on their front steps, and saw the police unwilling to break the protests, those conservative lawmakers got really fucking sweaty. So instead, they gave the police tools to arrest individual protestors. The Mulford Act was drafted and quickly passed. At the time, it was the most restrictive gun control law the country had ever seen. It was written by Ronald Reagan (yes, the same Ronald Reagan that the right uplifts as a paragon of conservative values,) and was supported by the NRA, (yes, the same NRA that lobbies for looser gun control laws in the wakes of school shootings.)
This gave the police the power to arrest individual protestors after the fact. Instead of firing into the crowd to disperse the protest, they would wait for the protest to end, follow the protestors home, then kick in their front doors while they were having dinner with their families. (Remember all of the “don’t bring your cell phone to protests because police will arrest you a week or two later if your phone was pinged nearby” messaging during the pandemic protests? Yeah…)
This led to the Black Panthers diving underground. They realized what was happening after protests, so they took efforts to guard their members’ identities. They pulled tactics straight out of anti-espionage textbooks. Randomized meeting places, so police couldn’t set up stings ahead of time. Code names, so arrested members couldn’t rat even if they wanted to. Fragmented info, so no one person (even the leaders) could take down the entire operation if busted. Coded messages. Dead drops. Et cetera, et cetera…
We’re on a rocket trajectory straight down that same pipeline now.
Yup. I knew all that, but I’m glad to see it posted concisely for people who don’t
The joke was more an extension of the argument ammosexuals like to make about everyone being safer when everyone is armed. A bit of a non-sequitur, but those are nice from time to time.
ammosexuals
Lmao
I don’t know if it would go like that these days. Cops now have equipment to beat a small army. It’s insane that we let it get like this.
We were so innocent back in the day - my bit of activism was protesting campus security getting certified as a police force. Did no good, so now every incident has someone bringing guns and looking to escalate
The US military with the fanciest equipment in existence at the time couldn’t even conquer Vietnamese or Afghan farmers. If protestors took the Black Panther approach and the cops did start shit, the cops would lose.
I strongly disagree that not wanting an actual fight is cowardice. Turning up armed to intimidate unarmed people is cowardice.
Being willing to attack people who can’t or won’t fight back, but being afraid to attack people who will fight back (especially if they will do so effectively), is basically the definition of cowardice
Ah well you should’ve said that to begin with, because I agree with that!
This is what 2nd ammendment absolutists say, but unironically.
They, unironically, are not wrong. The problem is that they are usually on the fascist side, even or especially when they insist otherwise
Counter-“clearly not at all snipers”
Laser pointer into the scope.
Ooh, I like that one
How to get easily shot by a sniper who thinks you have a laser scope.
It would have to be coordinated, lots of people from varying angles
Heavy artillery? FPV drone?
Hell yeah
FPV drone with mine from fields of Ukraine.
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Love how the narrative went from “nah those can’t be snipers definitely spotters” to “snipers are commonplace at big events!” once it was confirmed. Also the fact that only msn and snopes have published anything about this (or is that just a search indexing problem?).
Yeah, that is why it fits here. The response from Americans is depressing.
I think it is a search index issue, I can find a few things on this. The arrests are also a thing.
There is also the wayback machine to watch in real time the changing of story by the school:
https://web.archive.org/web/20240426123527/https://www.thelantern.com/2024/04/university-confirms-there-are-no-snipers-on-the-ohio-unions-roof/
https://www.thelantern.com/2024/04/faculty-speak-out-against-universitys-continued-arrests-of-protesters-on-campus-look-toward-university-president-ted-carter-jr-for-response/
Can’t wait for a headline about them accidentally shooting an innocent person and then admin goes on the defensive, claiming that the snipers were only doing their job. That, or hush the grieving family by either paying them to shut up or flat out erase them by buying off the police.
I don’t know why but this amuses me. An amateur can easily hit a target at 200 yards the size of a baseball using a 6.5 Creedmore. These snipers are extremely visible and exposed. I’m guessing an attacker or a mass shooter would probably not be thinking about taking out snipers though.
I think they felt safe and being seen was the point.
True, I guess the point is to make a show of it
They are visible on purpose. They’re there as a message
Is that bitch wearing a mask to hide their identity?
Maybe pantyhose? Are we sure these are the police? It is getting very hard to tell.
They’re just business men with business plans. They’re totally not cops.
Too many assholes in this country think they are the American Sniper.
