Biden, a supposed foreign policy pragmatist, doesn’t seem bothered that the US is one of the few states that continues to wholeheartedly sustain Israel’s war on Gaza. In fact, Biden has staked his political future on his support for Netanyahu and Israel – and Biden is losing. In this year’s presidential election, where he will most likely face Donald Trump once again, Biden has already lost support among young progressives, Black and Arab American voters, who are all rightfully angry at his refusal to restrain Israel.
Biden allies are raising the alarm that he could lose Michigan, a swing state with substantial Black, Arab and Muslim American voting blocs, because of his Middle East policies. Congressman Ro Khanna, a Biden supporter and progressive Democrat from California who has tried to mediate between Biden’s campaign and Michigan Democrats, warned his team this week: “We cannot win Michigan with status quo policy.”
The Biden administration has consistently underplayed the leverage it has over Israel and Netanyahu. “I think that sometimes people pretend that the United States of America has a magic wand that it can wave to make any situation in the world roll out in exactly the way that we would want it to and that is never the case,” Matthew Miller, the state department spokesperson, said at a press conference on 12 February.
Miller’s flippant comment raises an important question: if Biden can’t use billions of dollars in military aid – and the ability to literally cut off Israel’s supply of bombs – to force Netanyahu to accept a ceasefire, what could Biden do with a magic wand?
Reminder that Biden will lose more votes the longer this Genocide continues. People are not “getting over it” the opposition is only growing.
If you want Biden to win, stop being in denial that people are going to lesser evil him and start advocating for him to force a permanent ceasefire. (and stop Veto’ing UN resolutions)
Post your “But Trump’s” down below.
… but Trump is infinitely worse?
Then let’s hope that continuing the Genocide isn’t more important to Biden than handing the election to Trump.
Because we can clearly see that continuing it will lead to Biden losing the election.
Just for context, there were 100K protest votes but Biden won Michigan by over 150K in 2020
Biden is losing Michigan according to the polls. In fact, he’s losing 5/6 battleground states that he won last time.
It’s looking grim for him in November. His only hope is Trump gets thrown in jail or has a stroke.
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Or stop committing Genocide
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Stop trying to make President Genocide happen. It’s not going to happen.
Michigan primary voters in 2020: ~1,6 Million
Michigan primary voters in 2024: ~900 Thousand.
The one where Bernie “lesser evil’d” everyone over the line to vote for Biden is not a good comparison. This one is looking a lot more like the 2016 Hillary one than the 2020 one.
Let’s not forget the Biden campaign spent significant money on ads in Michigan and still ate dirt.
The numbers I quoted were for the general, not the primary. We can’t draw too many conclusions from a protest vote in a state where they all knew he was gonna win anyways. It’s one of the reasons they were able to voice their concerns like this. Biden wasn’t really being challenged so why not use your voice to put a number on just how many people aren’t all-in on Joe?
Remind me who won Michigan in 2016 because they decided they could just ignore it. Was it Hillary Clinton?
100k protest votes from the primary, which usually had less turnout compared to the general election. In this year’s primary you had uncommitted as 13% of the votes. Can Biden afford to lose 13% of his voters in the general election?
Friendlly reminder for people who are about to drop those “but Trump’s” down below:
These warnings are because we care and want to defeat Trump, too. But Biden is on a losing trajectory. the results of the Michigan primary show that.
In the democrat primary, there were 762,697 votes. Biden received 618,426 votes, or 81%. “uncommitted” received 101,100, 13.3%. Williamson and Phillps together received a combined 5.7%
It should be noted that the “Listen to Michigan” campaign is a direct result of that- specifically using the primary to protest Biden. Exit pollsters suggested that, none of the ‘uncommited’ were just that; but rather that they all showed up specifically to protest Biden. (it is ‘normal’ for 20k, give or take, to be uncommitted.)
For comparison, the republican primary; there were a total of 1,104,385 votes, of which Trump received 753,003 votes, or 68.2%. Hailey recieved 292,750 or 26.5, with the remaining candidates receiving the remaining ~5.2%.
On the surface, it looks like biden is more solid than trump- 80% is better than 68%, after all. the reality is, though, fewer democrats showed up. the total number of democrats was only 10k more than trump’s received votes. now, it should be noted that half of Niki’s voters, according to poles, are professed never-trumpers. (I am skeptical that it’s that high…) It should be noted that Hailey received 292,750 votes- so even if all of the dem uncommited all into line… Democrats simply don’t have the sheer numbers.
It’s… unwise… to draw any specific conclusions from this, except to say that Biden cannot afford to lose any votes. And even if he does manage an about face; there’s plenty of other issues. Immigraiton is the next biggest that comes to mind. he’s moved us incredibly far to the right on that; basically giving republicans what they wanted. (“oh but it’s a bluff and he called it!”… yeah. now try and claw that back to something… ethical and moral. Pubies rejected it because they realized they can hold out for even more assholerly)
And lets be honest here, Biden isn’t going cut Israel off. They’re going to keep getting money, arms, he’s going to keep pushing whatever he can to keep the AIPAC donations flowing.
These warnings are because we care and want to defeat Trump, too. But Biden *is* on a losing trajectoryBecause people are too dumb to realise that the options are support for Israel or support for Israel + tons more bullshit that will directly make their own lives worse.
Because people are too dumb to realise that the options are support for Israel or support for Israel + tons more bullshit that will directly make their own lives worse.
and all you’re doing is alienating voters. Blaming voters, all the rhetoric like this… it does not persuade voters to turn out. That’s what we’re trying to tell you. It didn’t work for Hillary, it won’t work for Biden. Doubling down, bullying people. It just makes them more determined to not show up.
if Biden wants to get re-elected; he needs to change course. If you want Biden to get elected… well, there’s not a lot you can do about it, but maybe write a letter or something. I know I have. maybe he’ll listen to you instead of his AIPAC checkwriters.
Well these electors are just Trump electors then because if you don’t vote it means you’re supporting whoever wins.
You deal with the electoral system you’ve got and in the USA it’s a system where you might need to pinch your nose and vote for the lesser of two evils in order to not let the worse one win.
Want a different system? Fine. You’re still dealing with the system in place in the meantime.
Yeah. See.
That’s exactly the rhetoric that doesn’t work.no. really. It’s not persuasive. particularly when it turns hostile. Something needs to change. There’s a few things that can- Biden can drop out (it really isn’t too late, particularly if he then started campaigning for another candidate; mitigating 90% of the loss of incumbency.); Biden can reverse course on key policies… Gaza, immigration. flak harder on important policies. And ineffectually, messaging to promote the stuff Biden has done. (which IMO is largely… trying to fight a flood with a mop. but there are some rare gems.)
He absolutely needs to change his actions on Israel- and address why it took so long in a way that mitigates the damage already done in messaging.
If facing the facts doesn’t work for you, nothing else was going to. I’ll keep talking about reality, thanks.
A permanent ceasefire would do it for us.
Why won’t Biden do the one thing that would guarantee victory?
Exactly. There a lot of morons like me who are wayyyy too stupid to understand what you just said. We are completely out of touch with reality and cannot be reasoned with nor convinced otherwise.
So either Biden stops the Genocide or loses all these stupid voters that will not vote for Genocide.
So either Biden stops the Genocide or loses all these stupid voters that will not vote for Genocide.
We had a nice exchange yesterday but I do think it’s worth pointing out that anyone who would otherwise have voted for Biden, but refuses to vote, is effectively just voting for genocide by different means. That’s not to say you shouldn’t stand on your principles, but the outcome of Biden losing the election is that things stay the same or get worse in Gaza, and definitely get worse in the US.
I completely support acknowledging all that and still making a principled choice, but I do think it should be acknowledged. You aren’t just choosing not to support Biden’s complicity, you are choosing to enable Trumps complicity and enabling the actions Trump will take in the US and elsewhere, none of which are going to be an improvement over what we would get from Biden.
You folks want Biden’s complicity acknowledged? Fine, I’m on board. But you can’t fail to acknowledge the likely impacts of not voting or not voting Biden in November if I"m supposed to take your position seriously, because if you fail to do so you are ignoring the externalities of your decision as much as anyone you might criticize.
The ends do not justify the means.
It is the same loigic that israel uses to commit Genocide. “If we don’t kill them all now, they’re going to kill us all later! We are doing the lesser of evils!” Preventing another possible Genocide by enabling an existing one is not a viable option and will only lead us further down a path of darkness.
We are laying down the ultimatum now. Joe Biden is the person that can decide whether Genocide is more important to him than winning the election.
The ends do not justify the means.
That’s not what I said.
You folks want Biden’s complicity acknowledged? Fine, I’m on board. But you can’t fail to acknowledge the likely impacts of not voting or not voting Biden in November if I"m supposed to take your position seriously, because if you fail to do so you are ignoring the externalities of your decision as much as anyone you might criticize.
It is not what you think you said. But it is what you said.
Your desired end is “America not falling to Tump so he “doesn’t Genocide us”” and the means you are willing to use for it is “commit Genocide on another population.”
There is no nuance nor rationalization to justify having little kid their legs sawn off without anesthetics and starving as if it’s the fucking Holocaust.
The genocide ends when enough people shed themselves into being deluded to support Genocide. And people like me will help you by making the first step and saying that we will make 100% certain that Biden loses if the Genocide doesn’t stop.
How’s he supposed to force a permanent ceasefire when neither side wants to even agree to a temporary one?
The Palestinians already have a deal on the table for a permanent ceasefire.
Israel just doesn’t need to accept it because Joe Biden keeps sending them more weapons to commit Genocide with.
What deal? Both sides just walked away from a temporary ceasefire deal this week.
There was no “deal” this week. Just a nothing-burger.
Israel refused the permanent ceasefire that was offered by Hamas. Then they said “Give us all the hostages and then we will continue to kill you after a few weeks” to which Hamas said “no that’s stupid I’m not going to give up my leverage”.
The deal that was presented by Hamas a few weeks ago is still on the table. But Netanyahu didn’t want that because it would end his war.
Was that the deal that fell through because Hamas doesn’t want to release everyone? It’s really getting hard to keep track.
And I think you can tell that at the end of the day Biden can’t force jack shit. Taking away resources is not going to lead to peace it’s going to make everyone more desperate and irrational.
That deal seems to be a similar deal from israel as they one they presented before the permanent ceasefire offer from Hamas.
Biden can’t force jack shit.
The article this post is about sure thinks otherwise:
And yet Biden refuses to use the significant leverage he has to force Netanyahu into accepting a permanent ceasefire: aside from providing diplomatic cover at the UN security council and other international bodies, the US is the biggest supplier of arms to Israel, providing $3.8bn in military aid per year. Without a steady supply of US weapons since October, Israel would have run out of bombs to drop on Gaza. After the Hamas attacks, Biden rushed to ask Congress to provide $14.3bn in additional arms and security assistance to Israel. That package has been stalled in Congress, but that hasn’t stopped the Biden administration from rushing weapons shipments to Israel, including tens of thousands of artillery shells and other munitions which the state department approved under emergency measures that bypassed congressional approval.
The Biden administration has consistently underplayed the leverage it has over Israel and Netanyahu. “I think that sometimes people pretend that the United States of America has a magic wand that it can wave to make any situation in the world roll out in exactly the way that we would want it to and that is never the case,” Matthew Miller, the state department spokesperson, said at a press conference on 12 February.
Miller’s flippant comment raises an important question: if Biden can’t use billions of dollars in military aid – and the ability to literally cut off Israel’s supply of bombs – to force Netanyahu to accept a ceasefire, what could Biden do with a magic wand?
Congress WANTS to send that money. Biden can’t just unilaterally cut that off without risking big consequences back home, like a government shutdown.
Also, those last 2 paragraphs you quoted sum up the problem quite well.
maybe by not vetoing the UN’s security council resolutions.
Twice. (and yes. that’s his decision to make.)
Maybe by vetoing any domestic spending bills that include support for Israel (and signalling this to both houses of congress. yeah. Support for Israel is going to be a rider with Ukraine, so it’s going to be more complicated. edited to fix this,)
Maybe by sanctioning Israeli leaders involved in the Genocide.
maybe by not going out of his way to expedite arms sales.
Ya lost me at not supporting Ukraine funding.
And why no mentions of forcing Hamas to release all the hostages?
That was a brain fart on my part, I just fixed it.
hostages
Because that’s pretty fucking self-evident? Not sure what releasing the hostages would do, besides freeing the hostages- which to be clear is important on it’s own- but as far as the Genocide… Israel doesn’t care about the hostages except as a propaganda piece. Which is why they’ve killed orders of magnitudes more than they’ve freed.
Edit: it should be noted that Hamas has a standing offer to free their hostages if Isreal frees the 5k “prisoners” they keep without due process. (many of whom were swept up on the same day of the last exchange.)
The answer to your question could just have been this:
maybe by not vetoing the UN’s security council resolutions.
Twice. (and yes. that’s his decision to make.)
That’s what flipped me around on the issue.
Can he singlehandedly tell Israel what to do? Maybe I guess, but probably not. Israel knows we aren’t going to send the US Army in to defend Gaza. But he absolutely could have not sent the order to veto those resolutions. And he could have refused to send further weapons to Israel until there is a change.
Those measures would not be enough to satisfy many people, but they would demonstrate that he’s doing more than not speaking as glowingly about Israel as he would have prior to October 2023, which is about all he seems to have done so far. It would be possible to defend his decisions at that point. Currently I don’t see how it is.
Twice. (and yes. that’s his decision to make.)
Thrice even. They blocked another one last week: US blocks ceasefire call with third UN veto in Israel-Hamas war
But that advice is falling on deaf ears in Washington, as did many previous warnings that the US is violating international law and could eventually be found complicit in war crimes or even genocide, because of its unwavering support and weapons shipments to Israel.
While Biden complains about the petulant Israeli leader who won’t listen, his presidency is now at risk. It’s a self-inflicted wound that Biden could have avoided by standing up to Netanyahu months ago.
Why would leftists do this?! They must be secret Trump supporters
And if he cuts Israel loose, he loses MORE votes AND donations thanks to the large block of Jewish voters and fundraisers.
He’s taking a calculated risk. Yes, supporting Israel might cost him Michigan, do you want him losing the Jewish vote which then puts states like New York, New Jersey, Illinois, Pennsylvania, and California in play?
He has a path to victory without Michigan, he has NONE without California and New York.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/jewish-population-by-state
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/contrib?cycle=2018&ind=Q05
Supporting israel does not have to mean blindly continue their Genocide. Surely there are more moderate options
There are many Jews that oppose what israel is doing right now.
The remaining
JewsZionists can choose between having a ceasefire in Gaza or the guy which had a book of Hitler quotes next to his bedIvana Trump told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that from time to time her husband reads a book of Hitler’s collected speeches, “My New Order,” which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed.
It’s beyond sickening that this genocide has gone on for almost 6 months. I voted Uncommitted and I will not be voting for Biden.
Enjoy the 2nd Trump administration. Especially when he backs Israel even harder than Biden does and starts enacting their worst policies here.
How would rewarding the democrats for their active support of a genocide (with the US military directly) not make them double down on all future genocides?
It absolutely would not teach them anything because the people who fund both sides don’t care. Republicans will absolutely destroy this country with 4 more years in control. Democrats aren’t perfect, but they’re much better than Republicans.
Democrats aren’t perfect, but they’re much better than Republicans.
Funding, sending weapons to, sending our navy to protect a genocide is a far cry from not being ‘perfect’
Republicans suck, stop using them as an excuse for a literal genocide- or as a threat to get people to support a genocide.
Republicans suck, stop using them as an excuse for a literal genocide- or as a threat to get people to support a genocide.
“Suck” is a funny way of spelling “fascist.” Also, you’re arguing that we should punish Democrats by letting Republicans win, who will support both foreign and domestic genocide.
For people who claim to care about genocide, it seems like a really strange hill to die upon.
Do you not understand how being complicit in a genocide is something of a red line for a lot of people? The fact that I have been told to fuck off (in slightly nicer words) by pretty much all of my Democratic reps when I bring up this issue, tells me that they are not people who I trust to not slide into open fascism at home either.
Why would they listen when the next genocide is happening if the only lesson they take from this one is to double down and ignore all criticism?
It’s not just Michigan. There are many battleground states where his campaign is at risk without Muslims and Black people, and there’s no way he’s winning at all without high young progressive turnout (one of, if not the, most important factors in his 2020 victory). Also the Jewish community in the US is very much not a monolith regarding Israeli aid.
Biden has done everything he can to get Nyet N’ Yahoo to stop the slaughter. Idiots are going to again get us all fucked by enabling cult45. Just like 2016.
Yeah I think I’ll believe the UNSC votes.
because trump would be such a friend to palestine
Criticism of one is not implicit endorsement of the other.
Someone’s not paying attention. It was fun in 2016 when the “I didn’t get Bernie people so now I’ll vote Trump” people started showing up. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. No one who believed Bernies message would ever flip to trump.
Nobody is voting Trump. They vote third party or stay home.
If Biden ignores this he can’t win. Like Hillary in 2016. Make him stop supporting Genocide.
Lol. So you do not give a shit about Genocide. Got it.
So you do not give a shit about Genocide. Got it.
If the US election 2024 was between Trump and Hitler, I’d still go vote against Trump.
Not a good thing to be propping up an ultra right-wing nationalist government. Bibi has been in power for as long (maybe longer?) as Putin and has a lot of the same propaganda methods.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The Israeli prime minister is planning a military occupation, dressed up under a vague civilian administration made up of Palestinians who would be willing to collaborate, once Israel ends its devastating assault on Gaza.
Netanyahu’s plan is slap in the face to Joe Biden, who has insisted for months that the US won’t accept an Israeli military occupation or attempts to seize parts of the Gaza Strip.
In this year’s presidential election, where he will most likely face Donald Trump once again, Biden has already lost support among young progressives, Black and Arab American voters, who are all rightfully angry at his refusal to restrain Israel.
Two days after the US veto at the security council, medical officials and human rights advocates provided the UN body with excruciating details on the collapse in Gaza – and direct US responsibility for the continued slaughter.
The advice came after a Dutch appeals court ordered the Netherlands government earlier this month to halt the export of F-35 fighter jet parts to Israel, saying there was “clear risk” the equipment would be used to violate international humanitarian law.
But that advice is falling on deaf ears in Washington, as did many previous warnings that the US is violating international law and could eventually be found complicit in war crimes or even genocide, because of its unwavering support and weapons shipments to Israel.
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I posted this in another thread but I think this topic is closer to what I was thinking. Every day that Biden doesn’t end support for Israel we are building up more and more records of communication with Israel on this matter. Considering Biden repeated out loud the decapitated babies lies and other propaganda there is virtually no chance those communications don’t look absolutely awful for Biden.
There is another 8 months to the election, how much do you want to bet on those communications staying private? Do you want to bet your democracy on it? Thats what we are currently doing.
It is wild how net positive doing the right thing is. But yet people want to “But Trump” for active genocide, like the current present lives don’t matter. You don’t have to throw people under the bus because of the fear of Trump.
Do you honestly think that Trump is the better outcome for Palestinians? He would probably like to participate in the killing of Muslims himself.
Don’t get me wrong, put pressure on Biden because it is the right thing. Just remember to vote fir him in the end because Trump is way worse for Palestine.
Trump is worse. Is he the current President now? We should be focused on the people still suffering now, which many Dems are fine discarding due to fear of Trump. The fact Biden is struggling to a man who did an insurrection and is less popular than before says more about him than anything.
Go ahead. Don’t vote, be pissed off at Biden. No skin off my back. I’m a white straight dude 🤷♂️.
Delusional stuff.
Well you probably still lose because you’re not an ultra rich and they’re the only ones who truly profit from Republican policies
Yes but no one’s going to be trying to deport him, or ban his family from entering the country, or pass laws about which bathroom he should be using, or what contraceptives he’s allowed to buy, or what books he’s allowed to read.
Well the book thing affects everyone as even if you’re a CIS white dude you might want to read books with LGBTQ+ characters or that mention sex or talks about slavery, but fair enough for the rest.
The point was just that Republican/conservative policies are bad for nearly everyone, some might be more affected than others, but saying they don’t care because they’re part of the majority is ignoring a whole lot of things the government has influence on that affects their life.
