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They will grow up but it will be a much different world. Back in the 70s, Rachel Carson posited that it was probably already too late to turn back the effects of air pollution and poisoning of our oceans, and she was right. Instead of fixing problems, oil and gas companies are doubling down on fossil fuel extraction. Kids will grow up to have all kinds of respiratory illnesses and also facing a world that is melting around them.
Most years we’re in below 20 degree snowy weather. Today it’s 50 degrees here, it’s Dec 18th and we’ve only seen snow in our mountains, which is very rare for us in Utah. Not that I’m complaining about the heat -I love warmer weather, and I absolutely detest the sight of snow in any way, shape or form. But it is weird that we’re not even going to have snow on the ground this Christmas (we might get some rain this week).
Back in the 70s, Rachel Carson posited that it was probably already too late to turn back the effects of air pollution and poisoning of our oceans, and she was right.
That’s amazing. She died in 1964 and still kept working.
Well what I’m referring to is her book “Silent Spring,” which gained national attention in the 70s. Not saying she wrote it during the 70s.
I’m up in Mammoth right now and it is raining, absolutely wild for this time of year. I didn’t even bother snowboarding this trip because the slopes are more conducive to ice-skating. Caught of on a lot of sleep though, so that was nice.
Mammoth, that’s gotta pretty nice right now (if you don’t mind no snow). Not as cold as it usually is for this time of year. I want to go there soon, hopefully this coming summer, because it’s usually nicer up there.
It was sixty degrees yesterday, in Saskatchewan
So everyone’s dead??
You know I’m polite enough to talk to people in their system when I can, if I understand it, and this one is pretty fucking simple.
Back in the 70s, Rachel Carson posited that it was probably already too late to turn back the effects of air pollution and poisoning of our oceans,
I feel ya, but try not to give in to that feeling, as it’s also the last step in the oil companie’s PR playbook; when it’s finally coming knowledge, to say "well, yes it was our fault but it’s too late to do anything about it "
Well it’s not a very positive outlook, but I’ve heard it from scientists more than from big oil and gas (that it’s too late to turn back these effects). I"m not saying we can’t try to mitigate these things going forward, maybe we can make huge changes by taking small steps toward cleaner energy sources.
Temperature translation for non-Americans:
70°F ≈ 21.1°C
50°F = 10°C
20°F ≈ -6.7°CHere’s an easy way for disadvantaged yanks to learn Celsius:
40C = 104F perfect hot tub temp
30C = 86F hot day
20C = 68F nice cool day
10C = 50F chilly day
0C = 32F freezingCommit these to memory, then it’s exactly 9F for every 5C in between. (or about 2:1)
[da fak with the downvotes? Just refuse to learn?]
Conversion for the Midwest
70f= nice out 50f= nice out 20f= bring a hoodie. It’s nice out.
It’s currently 50F° in my living room. It’s been like this since start of December. Heating is for weaklings.
I mean… This isn’t that rare in Utah? Last year was wild, but besides that, this is pretty par for course the last 5 years, and not out of the normal for the last 5 before that. Especially not having snow sticking in the Valley…
Don’t get me wrong, I’m probably going to bail on Utah soon because how fucked this are getting with the climate/droughts/air quality… But this year isn’t some wild leap
This shit is exactly why despite having hated growing up in the frozen tundra… I’m now staying. Its not worth giving up at this point in society.
Been a…something… guys. Best of luck to you in the climate wars.
May the odds be ever in your favor.
You do realize that we won’t be free of the effects, right? Where do you think all the climate refugees are going to go?
Obviously… that’s why the first sentence I wrote was that I was staying up north….
We’re coming to you. We’ll settle in arcologies at the poles, where it’s still cool. Let the machines run all the industry in the sun-baked deserts of middle earth
Arcologies, sigh, thats the dream ain’t it. At best were wgtting Stargate slave society, at worst Metropolis. Neither is something I much want.
Climate controlled rolling arcologies. Maybe we’ll get some kind of fusion laser that can freeze the water in front of the city as it rolls across the ice.
But what if I like my freezing weather at home?
You’re welcome to it. You can have my freezing weather also! If it falls below 80 degrees in my apartment, I put a sweater on!! :/ I’m serious.
For other people: 80°F is about 21°C
I work with a lot of expats who feel the same, but I still like that I can clothe myself against the low temperatures, but not for the hot temperatures.
My kids won’t have this problem. Given the circumstances that have been obvious for 40-50 years I made the best and most responsible parenting decision possible. I didn’t have any.
Friends/acquaintances with young children always want to know why my wife and I chose not to have kids. I get very dirty looks when my first answer is “there are already too damn many people in the world as it is”
The economists are the worst. “Don’t you know, we need children to fund your retirement! Economies need a growing population!”
Yeah, fuck off. That’s not sustainable and you know it. We’re going to need to figure out how to make shrinking populations work.
Ponzie zombies
People living near the equator are still having kinds, and those families will need to move somewhere when things get too bad there. They will come and replace the family you didn’t have when it comes time for the great food wars.
Yes, thus the choosing not to have kids.
70 degrees in Dezember around here would kill most people, since it’s only 30 degrees below the boiling point of water.
Ah, being intentionally obtuse.
There are actually more layers there than just the obvious one…
Have fun in the water wars, kids!
I can’t remember where I first read it but I’ve agreed with it ever since: “My retirement plan is dying in the potable water riots.”
The only time water will be a problem is when someone’s using weapons to force others away from sources of it. In terms of desalinating water and delivering it to thirsty people, that’s something the market is perfectly capable of attaining. It’s always profitable to meet unmet basic needs so any water holes will be filled automatically. And that’s in the worst case scenario, where people are just buying trucked in water. In most places there will be actual plumbing serving people.
Great. Thanks. Now I can’t get the image of Kevin Costner pissing into a funnel out of my head.
Me either :-)
We have had almost no snow in BC this year. Northern BC is in severe drought. There isn’t even enough water to fill the recently completed highly controversial site C dam.
Basically that means we are going to have the worst fire season we’ve ever seen, sorry america but the smoke alone will ruin your summer too
Even fucking Haida Gwaii is seeing some mild level of drought right now. This shit ain’t right
You should look at the winter that recently ended in the southern hemisphere - record ice shelf losses during winter, record high temps in Rio and other cities. In winter.
And it’s just getting more and more brutal.
didnt it hit 90 or a 100 or something in Rio, during winter?
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/11/17/2206375/-Heat-Index-in-Rio-de-Janeiro-hits-137-3-degrees-Fahrenheit?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=trending&pm_medium=web (this is during the ‘spring’ - our fall - and includes the heat index).
For their winter - on Aug 27, Rio witnessed its highest temperature of the winter, reaching 39.2°C
https://en.mercopress.com/2023/08/27/hot-weather-hits-rio-de-janeiro-this-winter
for winter, these temps are just bonkers.
sorry america but the smoke alone will ruin your summer too
Gosh dang it! In 2020 the fires turned our skies dark red, and there was ash falling from the sky. I don’t want to relive that. I couldn’t go outside for longer than about 2 minutes without getting a headache.
Drove through New York in June this year.
Great pic
I can’t take credit. Stole this from a news article, but that’s exactly my view when I was driving through there that day.
I live near the arctic circle… it’s usually -40° right now… it’s actually +5°C today.
T-shirt weather in late December… wtf humanity
Yeah I never expected a nice day in December to bring such existential dread.
I live close to the Arctic Circle as well and it’s +2 currently. Two weeks ago it snowed like a meter in 2 days. I’ve seen enough snow for this winter.
I’m not as far north as you, but we’re also having a super mild stint. Normally have a couple feet of snow right now but it’s rained for 3 days. Last December we had the same thing. Year before that we had about 2-3 feet of snow and highs of -10°C.
It’s gotten to the point where I can’t even rely on weather reporting to give me current weather. One day a couple weeks ago it’s -20 but the Weather Network said it was 0… That was rude. I’m thinking of setting up my own weather station.
My neighbour was mowing his lawn last week (he’s retired). Usually we’d be shovelling by now.
I find it funny that you decided to include in your comment that he’s retired, it doesn’t add anything.
That’s pretty normal for the southern US. I’ve had several Christmases that were 85 degrees even.
Hate when it rains during winter time
I don’t. It means I don’t have to shovel or drive on snow.
That’s why I prefer rain. I can look outside and say, “oh look at the rain I have to shovel off my sidewalk.” (Sarcastically of course…)
Me I’d rather have rain than snow any day. My dream is to move somewhere where, when people see the snow scraper on my dashboard, they’ll point and say “What’s that??”
Sure, but when you live in Canada its a bit concerning to have ~ 60°F this time of year
It’s a bit weird having 50 degree weather here in Salt Lake this time of year. Last year at this time, we had 20 degree temps and snow all over the place. This year we’re having to make snow for the skiers up in the mountains. It’s fine with me, because I’d be happy if it was 80 degrees year round - but of course everything would dry up including our economy.
I moved from a cold climate to a hot climate. Instead of not wanting to do anything outside in the winter due to temps being in the 10f-20f range, I don’t want to do anything outside in the summers due to temperatures being in the 100f-110f range. You can always add layers of clothing, but there’s only so many layers you can remove.
Well I get the ‘best’ of both worlds here in Utah. Usually we have about 10-20 f weather in the winter, then 100 to 110 days in the summer. And you’re right, they have the same effect of keeping me indoors most of the time. I may be moving (not by my own choice) to Florida so - now I can deal with the heat AND oppressive humidity at the same time. Hooray.
ok but what actually is a snow scraper?? never heard of it
If you live somewhere where it snows frequently, accumulated snow or freezing rain with below freezing temps will leave a layer of ice on your car’s windows if not cleaned quickly. Sometimes, a brush and a car’s defrosters running can be enough. But if it’s cold enough or thick enough, a plastic scraper may be needed to get the job done.
If that’s true - then I want to live where you are. A snow scraper is a little flimsy hand-held plastic shovel kind of thing that is supposed to be used to remove ice and snow from your windshield and other car windows. They’re usually pretty flimsy and break easily.
Not very effective, but we usually have one or two in our car just in case we might need it.TIL. someone replied with a picture, but honestly it looks like a big toothbrush and i was confused.
i live in Brazil btw, would not recommend
The last character in his name is japanese. His full name is thus “Kenny Li Hi”
shit you got me. Laughed out loud… audibly
“That unapparent summer air in early fall”
- “That funny feeling” by Bo Burnham
“The slowly comprehending of the ending of it all.”
This reminded me of this old xkcd.
70 degrees of what? Freedom?
Temperature translation for non-Americans:
70°F ≈ 21.1°C
50°F = 10°C
20°F ≈ -6.7°CIt’s slightly below freezing and snowing here in West-Central Indiana. We haven’t been above the 50s yet this Dember.
Now admittedly, the 50s in December is not the same as when I was a kid and we are definitely doing great damage to the Earth’s climate and biosphere, but saying kids aren’t going to grow up because of it is a bit hyperbolic.
Of course they are going to grow up. 20 years are nothing. Those are issues that will only start to get serious after that time. Which is exactly why so little is happening now.
Two years ago, a “once in a hundred years” wind storm downed trees that had been around for decades. Many of them fell on houses, garages, etc. Last year, the once in a hundred years wind storm took down even more. We haven’t had the every hundred year storm this year yet but I am expecting it. The issues are serious.
On a positive note, more of us are adding our voices and resources to combat the profiteers. Join us if you can.
That are not serious issues on the scale we are looking at (kids not going to grow up = all dead).
True, not quite there, but working on it.
YOU’RE IN THE JUNGLE BABY
YOU’RE GONNA DIIIIIIE
This will be especially true once Alaska becomes warm enough to support a jungle.
HOLY SHIT GLOBAL WARMING IS OUTTA HAND
