• betheydocrime@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    How can Israel keep its promise that displaced Gazans will be allowed to return home, when those Gazans won’t have a home to return to?

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
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      11 months ago

      And they had no way out. I was talking to some complete fool the other day who said that Gazans should just flee on rafts like African migrants do. As if Israel wouldn’t blow them out of the fucking water with their navy.

      Also, Egypt is not getting enough blame for not letting Gazans out through their border. They need to. That makes them a partner in this genocide even if they’re not an active partner.

        • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
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          Yeah, although read the ‘After 2007’ part. Egypt hasn’t exactly been helping Palestinians cross the border. The sad fact is that Palestinians are treated like shit in the rest of the Arab world and Israel is a good cover for that because they’re far, far worse. But it’s not like Jordan has ever let them live with the rest of Jordanian society or offer them citizenship despite Palestinians living in Jordan for decades. And the claim from Jordan and Egypt is “we can’t offer them citizenship because then Israel will not let them return to their homeland,” which is, frankly a bullshit excuse because it doesn’t let Palestinians decide for themselves what they want.

          I am not trying in any way to lessen Israel’s part in this. They are the ones committing genocide. There is no question about that. But Israel’s neighbors don’t actually care, which is why they’re not doing anything about it.

        • DreamerofDays@kbin.social
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          11 months ago

          That link suggests differently:

          Following Israel’s unilateral disengagement from the Gaza-strip in 2005, the Philadelphi Accord with Egypt was concluded, which authorized Egypt to deploy 750 border guards along the route to patrol the border on Egypt’s side. The Palestinian side of the border was controlled by the Palestinian Authority, until the 2007 takeover by Hamas.[3] The joint authority for the Rafah Border Crossing was transferred to the Palestinian Authority and Egypt for restricted passage by Palestinian ID card holders, and by others by exception.

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        11 months ago

        I get it though. Israel has in the past expelled Palestinians and not allowed them to return leaving them stateless wherever they took shelter. Egypt doesn’t want a million people to suddenly become their problem permanently.

        • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
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          11 months ago

          They already are their problem permanently.: “Estimates of the size of the Palestinian population in Egypt range from 50,245 to 110,000.” The ‘not allowed to return’ thing is a bullshit excuse to deny them citizenship because it doesn’t give them the opportunity if they want it, keeping them as a second class, and Egypt knows it. What about the Palestinians that don’t want to return? The ones who want to live in Egypt? Egypt says fuck them.

          • redcalcium@lemmy.institute
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            11 months ago

            Eh, accepting 2 millions refugees is an enormous feat. No western countries would be willing to accept 2 millions refugees at once, so we realistically can’t expect Egypt, with significantly worse economy than western countries, could accept 2 million refugees without massive assistance from other countries.

      • bamboo@lemm.ee
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        11 months ago

        Egypt knows any Palestinian refugee that leaves Palestine will never be allowed to return home. Letting Gazans into Sinai would be to permanently accepting them, and also likely result in Israel invading Egypt to create a “safe zone”, possibly dragging Egypt into the war. The Gazans would be politically destabilizing, due to the strain that admitted potentially over a million refugees with nothing would cause on the already struggling domestic economy.

        • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
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          11 months ago

          What if the Palestinian refugee doesn’t want to return home? Why isn’t that up to them? Because Egypt doesn’t want them. They would be fine if they all left right now.

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            11 months ago

            Well the Palestinians aren’t being given a choice regardless, so your hypothetical is a bit moot.

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    11 months ago

    If you look into Gaza strip in Google Maps, you can see it looked just like any other town in the rest of the world: plenty of recreational places, parks, restaurants, markets, all bustling with activities. Now it’s all rubbles.

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      11 months ago

      I mean, yes, because Hamas bases is down below the building, so they just flattening Gaza with civilian to bury the terrorist.

      What about the hostages, you asked? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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      11 months ago

      This is the ultimate goal. The reason so many gazans didn’t evacuate is because last time the Israelis just straight up took their land. Once they leave it’s up to the Israelis to let them back on their own land.

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    11 months ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Nearly half of the homes in Gaza have been destroyed or damaged by the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas, the United Nations reported.

    According to a recently released report from the U.N. surveying a preliminary aerial assessment of structural damage in Gaza, 45 percent of the homes in Gaza have been destroyed or damaged.

    Airstrikes have hit Gaza repeatedly over the course of several weeks, after the Palestinian militant group Hamas entered Israel in a surprise attack on Oct. 7.

    Israeli forces have said approximately 1,200 people were killed in the initial attack.

    “Significant damage has been inflicted upon critical infrastructure and essential services, affecting people’s ability to maintain their dignity and basic living standards,” the U.N. wrote.

    The report said there are 1.5 million internally displaced residents, which makes up 65 percent of Gaza’s population.


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    11 months ago

    Calling it the “Israel-Hamas” conflict feels intellectually dishonest.

    It’s a genocide. The Palestinian genocide at the hands of the Israeli Defense Force.