• merc@sh.itjust.works
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    All this really does is show areas where the writing requirements are already bullshit and should be fixed.

    Like, consumer financial complaints. People feel they have to use LLMs because when they write in using plain language they feel they’re ignored, and they’re probably right. It suggests that these financial companies are under regulated and overly powerful. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t be able to ignore complaints when they’re not written in lawyerly language.

    Press releases: we already know they’re bullshit. No surprise that now they’re using LLMs to generate them. These shouldn’t exist at all. If you have something to say, don’t say it in a stilted press-release way. Don’t invent quotes from the CEO. If something is genuinely good and exciting news, make a blog post about it by someone who actually understands it and can communicate their excitement.

    Job postings. Another bullshit piece of writing. An honest job posting would probably be something like: “Our sysadmin needs help because he’s overworked, he says some of the key skills he’d need in a helper are X, Y and Z. But, even if you don’t have those skills, you might be useful in other ways. It’s a stressful job, and it doesn’t pay that well, but it’s steady work. Please don’t apply if you’re fresh out of school and don’t have any hands-on experience.” Instead, job postings have evolved into some weird cargo-culted style of writing involving stupid phrases like “the ideal candidate will…” and lies about something being a “fast paced environment” rather than simply “disorganized and stressful”. You already basically need a “secret decoder ring” to understand a job posting, so yeah, why not just feed a realistic job posting to an LLM and make it come up with some bullshit.

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      Exactly. LLM’s assisting people in writing soul-sucking corporate drivel is a good thing, I hope this changes the public perception on the umbrella of ‘formal office writing’. (including: internal emails, job applications etc.) So much time-wasting bullshit to form nothing productive.

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        LLM’s assisting people in writing soul-sucking corporate drivel is a good thing

        I don’t think so, not if the alternative is simply getting rid of that soul-sucking corporate drivel.

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          Reminds me of the one about

          1. See? The AI expands the bullet point into a full email.
          2. See? The AI summarizes the email into a single bullet point.
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      Job postings are wild. Like, “Java Spring Boot developer with 8+ years experience” would be fine 90% of the time.

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        Even that is often treated as something non-negotiable for the HR people reviewing applicants, when the group that needs the dev would probably say “ok, this guy doesn’t have 8 years experience, but clearly knows his shit” or “so what if she doesn’t have any Spring Boot experience, look at all the rest of this, she’ll pick it up in no time”.

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    I am not saying the two are equally comparable, but I wonder if the same “most rapid change in human written communication” could also have been said with the proliferation of computer-based word processors equipped with spelling and grammar checks.

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    Llm detectors are always snake oil 100% of the time. Anyone claiming otherwise is lying for personal gain.

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    I was just commenting on how shit the Internet has become as a direct result of LLMs. Case in point - I wanted to look at how to set up a router table so I could do some woodworking. The first result started out halfway decent, but the second section switched abruptly to something about routers having wifi and Ethernet ports - confusing network routers with the power tool. Any human/editor would catch that mistake, but here it is.

    I can only see this get worse.

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      It’s not just the internet.

      Professionals (using the term loosely) are using LLMs to draft emails and reports, and then other professionals (?) are using LLMs to summarise those emails and reports.

      I genuinely believe that the general effectiveness of written communication has regressed.

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        Yep. My work has pushed AI shit massively. Something like 53% of staff are using it. They’re using it to write reports for them for clients, all sorts. It’s honestly mad.

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        I’ve tried using an LLM for coding - specifically Copilot for vscode. About 4 out of 10 times it will accurately generate code - which means I spend more time troubleshooting, correcting, and validating what it generates instead of actually writing code.

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          I use it to construct regex’s which, for my use cases, can get quite complicated. It’s pretty good at doing that.

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          I like using gpt to generate powershell scripts, surprisingly its pretty good at that. It is a small task so unlikely to go off in the deepend.

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    I just want to point out that there were text generators before ChatGPT, and they were ruining the internet for years.

    Just like there are bots on social media, pushing a narrative, humans are being alienated from every aspect of modern society.

    What is a society for, when you can’t be a part of it?

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      I just want to point out that there were text generators before ChatGPT, and they were ruining the internet for years.

      Hey now, King James Programming was pretty funny.

      For those unfamiliar, King James Programming is a Markov chain trained on the King James Bible and the Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs, with quotes posted at https://kingjamesprogramming.tumblr.com/

      4:24 For the LORD will work for each type of data it is applied to.

      In APL all data are represented as arrays, and there shall they see the Son of man, in whose sight I brought them out

      3:23 And these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job were in it, and all the abominations that be done in (log n) steps.

      I was first introduced to it when I started reading UNSONG.

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        This was such a good idea, so many of these are fire.

        then shall they call upon me, but I will not cause any information to be accumulated on the stack.

        How much more are ye better than the ordered-list representation

        evaluating the operator might modify env, which will be the hope of unjust men