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I am a huge Warhammer 40k fan and I once met someone who was also a 40k fan. Dude said he played Imperium cause he was (and he said this with zero irony) a “human supremacist.” Genuinely though the Imperium were good guys. I feel like it’s needless to say, but I stopped talking to him.
If you ask someone if they are Nazis, and their answer is to get confused and ask about the premise of the question, there is about a 90% chance they are Nazis. Non-Nazis will say, “What? No, definitely not.”
I would also accept “did you just call me a fucking nazi?”
If you ask someone who isn’t a Nazi if they’re a Nazi out of nowhere then confusion seems pretty valid. If there’s a premise to it that they understand (by being Nazis or acting like ones) you’d get less genuine confusion.
E: I wasn’t talking about the specific case in OP but in general
If the context is 40k, definitely not an unexpected question.
Is there something about the tabletop portion of the community I don’t get? I just like the lore of the universe and if someone asked me if I was a nazi based on that I would be very confused.
Think about it this way, if you joined WWII reenactment, you’ll mostly come across guys that have a general interest in WWII and will play the role of most factions (including Germany if needed). But you will also run into guys who are enthusiastically on the German side 90% and less happy playing anything else. That second guy is most likely a Nazi but tries to maintain plausible deniability
“I only play black templars and krieg. No, what shovel meme?”
hmmmmmm
I hate that nazis have adopted the DKoK. I love them because I really like the french inspired aspect of the design (like the trench coat) and I really love gasmasks. I got into 40k because of them and started an imperial guard army. But the amount of chuds that play them and the broader imperium grossed me out. Now I play chaos space marines (Red Corsairs (cause pirates) and Thousand Sons (cause I like magic and the drama)) and am gonna convert my imperial guard into chaos guard.
I completely agree, that’s why I play krieg, to show that normal people like them too.
I always kind of feel like a bad leftist because I really like playing germany in Hearts of Iron. I can’t help it that germany has a monster industrial base and democratic countries are mechanically limited. I just like my jank tank battalions and some nice relaxing map painting but no other country has the industrial base for that without also being limited by the democratic ideology mechanics or having to go through the whole process to switch ideology.
I think that’s more to do with Hearts of Iron not being fully realistic in Germany’s industrial capacity. All the memes and myths about them make them out to be far more capable than they really were in reality and HoI are matching that perception.
In reality, Germany’s success was largely due to huge risks and brinkmanship, and the Allies kept backing down and letting the Axis take bites out of them. There were many points in time where any allied response would have wiped out the German military, particularly their invasions Alsace-Lorraine and the Sudetenland. On top of that, all of the Axis had military doctrines based on fast, intense, and most importantly short campaigns where they could soly rely on stockpiles.
Once the Axis achieved some (admittedly large) successes, they started believing they could take on the Allies in a full scale attritional war, which is what eventually ground them to dust. They could have potentially won if they kept taking small bites, but that’s not the war that was fought.
I too am confused about the correlation since I’ve never run into nazis playing 40k. Though to be fair I run slaaneshi chaos so I don’t think I’m in their demo of black templars.
Warhammer 40k lore is on the level of racism and genetic determinism that resonates with nazibrain.
Every faction is a caricature and parody of some ideological concept where every member is obligated to live and die exactly as they’re supposed to.
That’s not at all what I picked up from it. Could you give an example?
I mean, the space marines are genetically engineered soldiers who are locked into their roles they inherited from the primearch who’s genetic ancestry they are from, all of which were crafted based on the genetically superior being of the emperor. The eldar and orcs are literally bio-engineered weapons weapons of a race that were basically gods. The Tau have a lot of layers racial hierarchy, bio-engineering, and similar levels of eugenics stuff going on. The tyranids basically just consumer biomass to filter for genes that can benefit their race and incorporate the new genetic data. I mean, unless you didn’t pay any attention to the game lore, I really don’t know how you missed all this. Like, this is the core of the game lore.
Beyond that GW have straight said that each faction is a caricature of some form of extreme ideology. The imperium are basically theocratic space nazis, the orcs are pretty much how the classical empires, or something like that imperium, see less developed human groups, the barbaric hordes. Etc.
Right, in that context it wouldn’t be.
Hellsing Abridged on the topic.
Meh depends on the setting. My partner and I are organizing smaller concerts from time to time. If we are about to book an unknown band sooner or later we have to ask the Nazi question.
The setting here feels similar.
Of course setting, their actions and whatnot matter. It isn’t out of nowhere if there’s some context for it that the recipient also understands.
In 40k where the Imperium are outright fascists, the context is already there
Yes
Tbf, if someone asked to join my discord server and asked if we’re Nazis I would also ask for further clarification. Not because there’s a chance we might be Nazis but because it’s an odd question.
I’d be wondering ehat did I do to make them think I might be on a Nazi Discord server lol. I get you.
Always amazing when people don’t get satire.
My Dad actually thought Starship Troopers was pro-military.
How?
That movie has the subtlety of a brick to the head
So did The Boys and Helldiver’s 2, and yet a substantial population of conservatives took it literally. Now The Boys has to be so blatant, it’s not as funny anymore.
Some people are just idiots, just the way it is.
Lmao about the boys. I started watching that and definitely in the first season it wasn’t even subtle, by the 4th season, which apparently is when conservatives got mad (?), it was beating you into submission with the messaging. Like, subtlety was not even in the lexicon, more like bulldozing you.
Maybe if they paid more attention in English (and history) class, they wouldn’t miss subtext the size of a tractor trailer running into them. But conservatives and STEM bros almost always seem to be on the same page with that shit “No one needs English classes, it’s always just like ‘hur the curtains are blue’ bro.”
I’d like to know more.
In all seriousness though, I thought it had some aspects of good, which was odd given that it’s satirical commentary on fascism. For instance, gender didn’t really matter and women were promoted, and while the shower scene was meant to show how fascism castrates the masses (or something like that, iirc), I thought it was a relatively wholesome scene, all things considered.
Potentially some leakage from Heinlein’s later works?
Sorta, not really.
The book is notable for its almost complete lack of sex on any level. The protagonist goes on a date with a woman at one point. That’s about it. A shower scene where everyone is naked but nobody is horny would fit right in.
Stranger in a Strange Land, OTOH, goes completely the other way. I was reading that book on vacation, and a friend picked it up and peeked at a page about halfway through and started reading it out loud. The last half of that book is basically pornography, so . . .
Oh, I know, I was more thinking that the film makers might have thought that they could add some stuff from his later works since they basically completely changed the movie script from his book.
They see the part that gives them a confirmation bias and willfully ignore the rest of the message.
As the saying goes: Spread the facts on the floor like a fan, and throw away the ones that make you feel bad.
Because the dad read the book, and hasn’t seen the movie.
The book definitely is pro-military.
Actually, it was the movie lol.
A brick to the head…
Good idea.
Half of America has the literacy of a 5-6th grader. They can understand the words, but not the "deep"er meaning of things. If it’s not explicitly spelled out by name, they won’t connect the dots.
If you’ll recall, their defense of the quid pro quo during the Ukraine impeachment was that he never used the phrase quid pro quo, so he could have done that.
They’re that stupid
The book is pro military, the movie is a very intentional satire.
It’s amazing the number of people who do.
It’s got Neil Patrick Harris in it how on Earth can it possibly be pro military?
So, uh, where’s the diagram?
but obviously a diagram doesn’t help the willingly blind ;-)
but curious to see the slides too.
this is an edit on an older green text, but the premise was gym, based, and cringe.
They only people I know who play 40k are obsessed with Orks. Dunno what kind of person that makes them, but at least they aren’t nazis.
It might be the same phenomenon as bimbofication / puppygirl stuff, where one longs to be released from the responsibility of thinking
Also known as “Waaaaaaagh”
That makes them fun
It’s my understanding that orks are the most luck based faction, so they are either chill people or cheaters that fix dice rolls.
The good groups are the ones who are very interested in fantasy Nazis ironically.
If I play the theo-fascists then my total incompetence at strategy makes them look bad
Haha dead Nazis
> join good group
> look inside
> neo-nazis
I need that diagram.
So as someone who isn’t too familiar with Warhammer, why are Nazis drawn to it? I know a few people that are alt-right, headed toward Neo-Nazi territory, that are all deeply into Warhammer. Is it like another Punisher situation?
I don’t know much about it either, but in general conservatives and the right at large have no media literacy. Everything is shallow and face value to them. They see pro military crushing stuff deemed “lesser” and they basically get off on it.
It’s the same reason for right wing star trek fans. They see space military and ignore all the themes and other things like the fact there is no capitalism. It’s always pushed left ideas, yet only now it’s “gone woke” because it’s pushing modern left ideas, not stiff they’ve learned to ignore.
Just look at any media made by conservatives for conservatives. It’s terrible and the kind of wish fulfillment youd expect from a child telling a story.
I’m not too knowledgable on all the lore, but iirc:
- Space Marines are engineered supersoldiers who see humans as puny livestock
- The leader is an emperor, also known as god-emperor, whose word is law
- Pretty much all of their technological advancements exist to kill/control
- Their creed is basically to eradicate all non-believers (heretics) and non-humans (unless the non-humans can benefit them)
- Slavery is pretty much the standard for punishing people who oppose the god-emperor (if not death)
- A lot of other things
Basically, the entire main faction is a hyper-fascist, fundamentalist, imperial, and ultra-violent organization. A lot of the other factions operate with a similar amount of cruelty and violence.
The point is that no faction in Warhammer can really be known as “the good guys.” I always perceived the 40k universe as a caricature of some of the worst aspects of mankind, but I play along as a cog in the machine, knowing it’s bad. Neo-nazis tend to perceive the Astartes/Space Marines as glorious heroes. It’s akin to alt-righters enjoy Starship Troopers and Rage Against the Machine, without recognizing the irony.
The humans in that scenario are a group of super “racist” anti-xeno, ultra religious fascists. So less a punisher situation (which is just moron right wingers not being familiar with the source material, where punisher actually kills those things blue line corrupt cops) and more of a moron right wingers not understanding satire and taking things too seriously, thinking humans are the good guys, despite being clearly terrible.
The Imperium is a blatant dry satire of authoritarian bigotry, and it turns out authoritarian bigots are immune to satire. Goes clean over their pointy little heads.
Guess I’m lucky. My LGS plays a variety of factions and does little beyond tossing old meme quotes around all day.
