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        It is not disinformation. My comment’s context was about the founding days and not today. When the lies about Freemasons/Illuminati were first being spread, it was invite-only. Now, it’s ASK12B1 and you still must undergo an interview process. Including, months worth of training before the first degree.

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        It used to be. In fact ideally you were descended from a freemason and also vouched for.

        Times change.

        They used to wield real power or influence in protestant Midwestern and East coast areas in the 1800 to early 1900s.

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    They’re a literal secret society. The secrecy leads to all sorts of wild rumors, which just get amplified, altered, and exaggerated over time until you’ve got Reptilian Illuminati trying to conquer the world through subliminal messages being broadcast through tooth fillings via fluoride in the water.

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      Every time I hear conspiracy theories about reptilians secretly pulling the strings, I wish so fucking bad that it was true. I’d take that in a heartbeat.

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    The Masons are secretive. Many very high level historic figures have been Masons. It’s a good old boys club to get in you need to be sponsored by another Mason. You don’t hear a lot about their accomplishments. And you would expect that a social group that contained many of the important men in history wouldn’t just be sitting around doing nothing in secret.

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    Idk but as one there is no way a bunch slightly racist old white Christian men can organize anything beyond the local and maybe state level.

    Masonry is really cool and used to be highly influential for all levels of society but it’s not that anymore. It’s really sad. My grandparents generations were joiners. After the war everyone joined a society. My parents joined some. But nowadays that’s very rare. Everyone in my lodge was 50-80.

    I think the propaganda comes from a similar place of earlier Jesuit propaganda. A bunch of men meeting in secret, seeking education away from church and state, highly involved in the community. Now it’s just having meals, meetings, and planning which charity event to do.

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      Uh, not all are Christian or white. There are many lodges encompassing Filipino or Asian brothers. There’s also the Prince Hall masons for African-Americans. Additionally, the Scottish Right are not Christian-based like the Knights Templar.

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        You’re right. I am not saying that. I am generalizing based of experience and 95% plus of the masons I encounter. Prince hall exists where I was too ;)

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        You have to go through the Blue Lodge before you can go into the Scottish Right, and you must be religious to join the former. So yeah, the vast majority of members are Christians.

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      The sub-60 crowd is much more interested in digging into the symbolism of the work. I think pushing for more education is the key to revitalization. What’s the point of purging to go over budget readings?

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          Seems like the older crowd is 90% there for the socializing. I think as the 30-50 crowd climbs the steps we’ll see the philosophical side shift into focus. I have an optimistic outlook on the next few decades.

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    I can’t really provide much insight, but I was once contracted by a local Masonic lodge to install new windows. I had unsupervised access to pretty much any room that had a window in it, and I was even permitted to look around in the windowless chamber where they performed many of their rituals. They were actually pretty excited to show me around. I can’t imagine that they would allow a perfect stranger into their secret lair if they really had anything to hide. But, ya know, take what I say with a pinch of salt as it’s just one anecdote about one lodge in Nowhere, Ohio.

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      Yeah, I know at least one Mason I don’t think there’s anything interesting going on there. I can definitely see why people think there is.

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    From what I’ve come across, it’s from a combination of their secrecy (historically to the point of death, read about Hiram Abiff William Morgan who was mobbed to death by Freemasons just North of where I used to live), their links to the upper class, their place in the spiritual sphere (they have Anglican/Templar associations, which is why the pope forbids joining, and these put their links to the British crown into perspective, as well as the fact they have their very own equivalent to the Vatican Secret Archives, which is a common theme, with the more gender-inclusive and Knights-Hospitaller-sprung Sovereign Military Order of Malta being their strictest rivals), their feud with what has come to be known as the LDS church (Joseph Smith was said to have been a Freemason who took off with their secret “ideas” to make the Book of Mormon), the fact they have historically looked down on those who leave or operate from other societies such as the Oddfellows, and some of their practices, such as the fact they used to be unwilling to testify against each other in court (I don’t know if this is still true, but to put that into perspective, the United States recently reprimanded Scientology for the same reason), how “expensive” it is to actually be a member, their overlapping with what would today be called Gnosticism (oddly the G symbol does not stand for Gnosticism, though one cannot deny what comes across as some very sectarian observations/tendencies), and how it’s 2025 and they still don’t allow women to join (they also used to not allow people of color to join either, up until recently, and they still require someone to have a spiritual upbringing), which is why I am not one (I could join the Eastern Star, but it’s almost knock-off-esque compared to the actual thing, which actually used to frown upon the Eastern Star as “missing the point”, plus they wouldn’t take kindly to my upbringing since my details would fall outside their range of knowledge).

    In a way, it’s comparable to how we might critique a British megachurch, if that megachurch was formatted like a university fraternity club. I had known many Freemasons, which is the norm where I used to live because there is a high enough Masonic presence in the area that they built the streets (arranging the sidewalk in a literal square and compass design), with family members of my friends participating in the group. I have nothing against them on their own, but with their sense of superiority and duty (especially with foreign entities involved) that often gets stereotypically mixed in with their demeanor, they can be as overbearing as sand here (coarse and rough and irritating and getting everywhere), which for a long time has not just led me to speculate myself but also forced my hand in a way. When you combine an obsolete sense of self with extreme exclusivity, well, there you go.

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      That is another misconception. The ceremonies are in books and on the internet. The only real secret is the means-of-identification.

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    My great grandad was a Mason all his adult life (~16 until his death at 99), as were my father and grandfather. None made it to the 33rd degree, which I’m not sure how much study, effort and money they put fourth, in effort. I know it irked me father and grandfather they had to pay the Masons $300 to perform “Amazing Grace” on bagpipes, at my great grand’s funeral, which was his dying wish, so they walked away from the society.

    Lon Milo Duquette speaks about the Masons, a bit, in some of his talks, but I’ve not delved deeply into their customs. I think there’s quite a bit available, online, if one is interested enough to research. I’d think they are like any other organization: differing beliefs and political orientation among individuals, but I could be wrong.

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      The halls are visible to the public. Our friends and family know we are Masons. We have registered charities and bank accounts. The only real secrets are the passwords and handshakes.

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        I suppose you’re based in the US? In most EU countries it’s all more secretive. But yeah, Freemasons got murdered during WWII so they aren’t to blame.

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          Most EU countries weren’t in the Axis.

          Search ‘freemason hall [city]’ if you don’t believe me: it’s all out in the open.

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            I’m from Belgium. We were occupied and freemasons were deported.

            A few years ago they tried to make MP’s who were freemasons to make it public and lots of MP’s objected.

            I know about the freemasons halls in my surroundings they are listed in the internet, indeed.

            To be fair, I was kind of joking but I see how you don’t find it funny. I didn’t mean to troll.

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    Why is anyone the target of conspiracy theories? If you look at the history of actual conspiracies that have shown up, they’re pretty limited in scope.

    The Hollywood-style grand, all-encompassing conspiracy makes for neat plot twists in a movie, but we’ve just got no actual history of them showing up, and if they were occurring, you’d expect some to be exposed.