pharmacists solely being distributors of pre-ordained medication has no detrimental effects on humans. 🫠 the US is great to its people, and has very good healthcare practices!! (livestream is on the 27th and i am excite, but not involved at all)
https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/ASBXWW/
stream link for those interested:
https://streaming.media.ccc.de/38c3
EDIT: my lack of capitalization and poor word choice has confused people. this event is about making legal, tested for efficacy medication only. pharmacists are good. doctors are good. the cost of medication and other hurdles that prevent people from having access to medication are not.
EDIT 2: i looked into the 4 Theives Vinegar Collective (breifly, just on wikipedia) and i did not realize that they made the EpiPencil, which is an open-source device that injects a mesured dose of epinephrine (a medication that can be bought from a trusted and legal distributor). that’s awesome stuff, but it’s less awesome that they now want to share chemistry knowlege that they don’t necissarily have a full understanding of, and push automated synthesis for people who also don’t have the foundational knowledge to ensure safety. not really great. i guess that’s what happens when healthcare is entirely for-profit, and inaccessable to so many people.
I my be in favor of taking control of ones own life (including medicine) but is just not true that handcrafted things are always better, a shitty artisan will make worse products than a good factory.
luigis glock jammed because parts of it were 3d-printed for example
It jammed because he was using subsonic rounds. Even in factory built firearms, subsonic rounds frequently don’t have enough oomph to properly cycle the slide. It’s pretty normal to have to manually cycle the slide when using those and judging by how luigi performed in the video, he knew that.
regular 124gr 9x19mm is almost subsonic and he used heavier 147gr bullets, so i think it should work normally in regular pistol. there might be some other factors but that ammo being subsonic should be not one of them
fair enough. i don’t think educating shitty artisans to help them hone their skill is a bad thing tho, as long as safety and harm reduction are practiced (in the case of medicine especially)
that’s one load bearing ‘as long as’
especially when the difference between fine and lethal isn’t readily apparent, and practice implies a lot of not fine attempts
Info is almost never a bad thing* and chemistry should absolutely be available and legal to everyone. Medicine (such as masculinizing and feminising HRT) should not be illegal to produce at home, the only drugs that might make any sense to ban personal production of are (in my opinion) literal bioweapons and chemical weapons (sarin nerve gas anyone).
*(I have yet to see a good example of it being bad, but others claim some info is bad)
info hazards (like production methods for sarin) are definitely real, and not always directly chemistry related. i.e. instructions on how to make a thermonuclear weapons, or get away with human rights violations with the right paperwork.
the concept of hazardous information is somewhat new to me, and i genuinely lost some sleep when i learned “information wants to be free,” is always true, but not always great.
but yes, i agree that info on chemistry, the availabilty of equipment, and legality of practicing it should be something to protect. all three have been in decline (at least in the US) for a while.
the problem with the legality to practice complex things is that humans are horrible at estimating risk, and overestimating our ability… it’s really easy to fuck up synthesis of a lot of things, and can be pretty hard to detect - for example, when people try to distil alcohol and get methanol (10ml causes permanent blindness, 30ml is lethal[1])
when you’re talking about medications, these are compounds that are specifically designed to be absorbed by your body, and dose is incredibly important - slightly less or more of a reaction and the strength changes and it’s lethal
medicine is hard, and dangerous. holding it to a high standard isn’t a bad thing
skydiving and motocross are very dangerous as well, and MMA/boxxing/other sports can result in severe injury or even death.
that said, syntheasis of any consumables lands in the “very dangerous” category somewhere, and the graphical-curve-related effect you described is very real in every field, and does often lead to harm.
legality of info that can (and is intended to) save/vastly improve lives, but also can destroy/end them if mishandled isn’t a right i would like to see disappear. the intent to help/harm difference is the key.
these guys seem to want to help, but also suggest some not-so-safe methods and applicationals. idk if lack of credibility is a part of their mission, but it almost feels like it’s intentional, which i am unsure how i feel about, as it muddies the waters on intent.
but really, them not mentioning waste management, or other key components of safety isn’t great, and might feed into over-confidence that can lead to people getting hurt. plus, the hot-takes on infection prevention almost verifies their lack of understanding of medicine/the human body.
“Despite the fact that for most of human history bodily autonomy […] was the norm”
LOL
Lmao, we have “don’t drink this” labels on bleach. But sure, this is a good idea
YOU are telling ME (a very smart person btw) what to do 😡
-consumes a whole bottle of chlorine bleach in protest of the implication of being told what to do-
They make business cards dosed for an abortion and have shared the instructions online. Look up miso card
i actually just learned that today… i am realizing i misunderstood the main purpose (probably) of the group. they are very focused on bodily autonamy, and pushing the boundaries of what’s allowed, as far as information sharing goes.
the lead guy also was suggesting heroin dealers lace their product with medication to prevent the spread of hepatitis, which sounds good, but doing so could result in an even more deadly super strain of the infection. he could have suggested wholly against sharing injection equipment, or emphasized the importance of “safe injection” sites that are staffed by medical personel, to help titrate the dose and safely end their addiction. at least he’s not telling people to synthesize suboxone at home, but ugh.
i don’t necissarily trust the information the they’re spreading, due to that and other factors, such as the lack of medical/synthesis knowledge outside of clandestine MDMA production. i do see that they do this more as “keep this stuff legal” measure, but a lot of their decisions seem reckless. maybe to further their cause/point? idk, it’s a mess.
Yeah i only looked at it briefly the other day when it came up. I like the idea behind it but can’t comment on the science/chemistry so am overall hesitant to trust it. The miso cards seemed relatively simple to make and use though, and i believe without risk of overdose at the dosing used. Given the US politics going to start cracking down on abortions, i think the miso cards are a good idea. Id need to look more into the other things though before trusting the group overall.
yeah but key issue is - they don’t make it - they just take it from veterinary drugs. prostaglandins and steroids in particular would be very bad fit for a backyard chemistry - these are greasy, so crystallization is out, every step requires column chromatography for purification, analysis would probably include HPLC/MS just to know what’s there
You better fix this. Start with the first sentence. For most of history, people died young and nobody knew why. And it was horrible shit.
i didn’t write the part that is an image, it’s a screenshot. i don’t disagree with you, in that “decisions for your own body” is not something that has always historically, or before written history, been a given at all. it definitely should not be taken for granted, and had/has to be defended and fought for, much like labor rights.
but also, you could try a better communication method than “you better -insert demand here-” statements. it’s not condusive to a conversation, and seems more like a threat over a post on the interet upsetting you.
I don’t have the power to make you do anything. What could possibly have made you think otherwise? Strange, that. Well, apparently I have the power to make you go on a lengthy rant. But that’s okay, you do that.
Do we even have anything to discuss? You made a ridiculous post, according to the opinions of many but certainly not all, or some of us pointed out the ridiculousness of it, and you overreacted. It’s not a great start to a discussion. Probably it’s better to move on.
i guess you moved on, until a dumb shitpost also upset you 🤭
i wonder if the opinion that “this group of activists has it’s odd pitfalls” was shared by anyone, other than “many,” possibly even the OP. who knows?
also, who started this “discussion?” you didn’t have to express your self-righteous anger, or at least could have done so more politely, without demands that i censor a screencap to make you not feel so wronged and upset.
anyways 🥱 i’m bored. you got any games on your phone?
EDIT: i am skeptical that you do, indeed, have games on your phone, as you claimed. i patiently await your (relevant to mobile gaming) response, and may one day decide to no longer live in your walls.
🤡 <— this is you, defending human rights online
i guess i will just have to wait for your implied “or else” to happen to me, since you’re incapable of talking to people without making vaguely threatening demands the second you’re offended, which i assume happens often.
in case i wasn’t clear, this is also you:
[ 🤡 “Look at me! I solve problems that stopped happening before I was born by being an annoying, self-absorbed dumb-dumb that posts online!!” ]
i deeply care if you’re offended by any/everything, and will notify all relevant parties, if you are. there are none, but if there were any, i’d let them know you’re upset.
anyways, feel free to block me if you want, since honest discussion is beneath you, presumably. and dm me what your implied “or else” is, if you would like, just for funsies. i hope it was showing up at my place(s) of residence for irl harassment, because that would warm my heart. it would possibly give away the fact that i live in your walls tho, which would mean i have to move again… :<
