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          That’s correct, but it’s not just “stop paying rent”, as that’s illegal. In general, a tenant union would either facilitate or assist with helping the tenants set up a rent escrow to be released when the problem is solved and the rent strike ends

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            Escrow or not, if the landlord doesn’t get his monies, you go living under the bridge. Problem solved.

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              Actually no, tenants have a right to a livable space. This includes but is not limited to running water, electricity, heating, and functional appliances. Say for example that there’s a bug problem in a building. There’s a legal process so tenants can place rent in escrow and get relocated at the cost of the landlord until the problem is solved. A tenant union assists with that process. Tenant unions often also negotiate the price of rent, to keep it affordable. To me, this sentiment is the same as “you’ll be fired for union organizing”. The chance is there, but fearmongering doesn’t help.

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                Well, that’s not how it works in the UK. Once you withhold any monies, you lose all your rights and protections.

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        What leverage do you have though? You can’t go on strike, you’re legally obliged to pay the rent you agreed to. You can’t withdraw your labour, because you don’t do any.

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          You could work with a court and do something like put it in escrow so the court can see you not paying rent isn’t just because you can’t. Instead it’s about withholding money from landlord to begin negotiations. Basically still acting in good faith but also withholding money to give you leverage. IANAL

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          Double-check this for your state. For instance, in Ohio if your landlord is not keeping up on their end of maintaining the property you can go to the court and set up an escrow account with them that will hold your rent payments until ALL of the work is completed to YOUR standards, not theirs or the court’s, and they are legally barred from taking any action against you for the duration and just about anything they do afterward is immediately suspect of being viewed as “retributive action” which is illegal under the state’s renter’s rights laws. Always read your rights for your state.

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          Not sure, but it’d be cool for an entire building to withhold rent for building repairs, or repairs for an individual.

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      Sounds like it might be more like a coop. Alternatively, unionizing for the purpose of sharing information on the landlords’ practices, tenants rights, pooling money for legal help, etc.

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        I would think that if all the tenants banded together, they could also negotiate on rent rises. I doubt they could prevent them, but they could certainly threaten to refuse to pay collectively if it was too high. Yes, that risks evicting the whole building, but that seems like a bad risk for the management company to take.

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          Forming a “union” and not paying rent sounds like a sure fire way to get a whole building evicted.

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            I said refuse to pay the rent increase. Why would they evict the building over that? Because they don’t want any rent at all?

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              That’s simply not how this works, if you don’t pay your rent, you get evicted. And yes, a landlord likely would evict an entire building full of troublemakers.

              The idea is, if you don’t like the cost of something, you go somewhere else. Why would rent be any different?

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                And yes, a landlord likely would evict an entire building full of troublemakers.

                Do you have an example of a landlord evicting every tenant of a large apartment building because they banded together to oppose a rent increase?

                The idea is, if you don’t like the cost of something, you go somewhere else.

                Have you not been paying attention? There is nowhere else. Rent is ridiculously high everywhere. You free marketers are not grounded in reality.

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                  Do you have an example of a landlord evicting every tenant of a large apartment building because they banded together to oppose a rent increase?

                  Has anyone tried this before? this entire premise just isn’t realistic, the only leverage you have over a landlord, besides knowing the rules, is taking your business elsewhere, AKA a boycott.

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                    This is the whole point of unionizing the building. So yes it is realistic and yes it does give you leverage. Do you really think they would evict 50 apartments simultaneously?