The State of Palestine is recognised as a sovereign nation by 146 countries, representing 75 percent of UN members.
None of the G7 countries – Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom or the United States – do.
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The very idea that some groups of people are arbitrarily “recognized” and accorded extra privileges by the powerful and others are not is offensive to me.
There is a difference between nations and ethnicities, and there are many people whose homeland is ruled by others, or whose homeland is part of an amalgamation of different different ethnicities under the umbrella of a single nation. I’m pretty at least some of these countries that don’t recognize the country of Palestine recognize Palestinians as a distinct ethnicity.
None of that detracts from the general sentiments you raised, touches on whether or not Palestinians (or other ethnicities) should have their own nation, or excuses what I believe to be the Palestinian genocide being perpetrated by Israel.
Wait until you find-out about “recognized” evidence vs “not scientifically valid” evidence…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_blob
To me that’s Greenland icemelt water, which, being freshwater, & therefore less-dense than salt-water, forms a skimcoat on the North Atlantic.
To the Consensus Science Establishment, it’s hogwash to claim so, because they haven’t authorized that to be scientifically valid.
What ELSE could have produced it, except icemelt??
Morons…
Here’s some climate-scientists admitting that NONE of their climate-models have included Greenland icemelt until 2024,
& that when you include that, then the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Current … visibly has been shutting-down since 1950 or so.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-024-01568-1
This-decade, they expect that there will be more than a MILLION FEWER CUBIC-KILOMETRES of water flowing through AMOC, than in the 1940-1950 decade.
Thanks to “only the Authorized speak Valid Science” paradigm, then worthless people like us, who insist that not-only is The Cold Blob climate-significant, it’s ecologically significant, as it’s got to be poisoning all zooplankton who get caught in it ( due to its low-salt ), thus trashing part of the ecology of a HUGE area of our planet…
our stating-the-fucking-obvious is nonvalid.
My religion’s Empiricism: it doesn’t matter “who” you are: IF it’s true, THEN it’s true.
You can be a homeless person with no highschool, you can be a many-times-degreed person with a Nobel Prize, & IF it tests-to-be-true, THEN it tests-to-be-true.
Consensus “Science” is Scientism: it works by holding that itself is valid, & all outside itself isn’t.
This “Consensus Science” ignored huge, important evidence, until it was too-late.
7 decades too late, in AMOC’s case.
at 2C warmer it’ll be 33% shut-down.
England’s going to be having Canadian climate, this-century.
Kiss their food-growing-capacity for their traditional crops, goodbye.
The real problem is that the proper paradigm is Empiricism, but then you have to decide on each piece of evidence/information,
& to do that, you have to have people who decide…
Establishment defaults to deciding that itself is valid, & outsiders are nonvalid.
Empiricism has to do differently, but that takes more energy, more work, more integrity, etc, & therefore is more-fragile…
Which is why establishment-self-importance has such an easy time displacing integrity from our world…
It could be done, but would require a systems-of-systems approach to identifying validity in scientific evidence…
Now try mapping that from science to populations:
What are the criteria for “a valid people”?
What are the criteria for “right to self-govern”?
Do you see how no matter who decides, others are offended by that specific decision?
How the upright will decide things 1 way, but the machiavellian-psychopaths will decide in fundamentally-different ways, consistently?
Do you see how IF you decide to do The Right Thing, now there are very-heavily-armed-thugs who will murder one’s family & self, in order to prevent one from “infringing on the mafia’s turf”, to remap the international-politics onto organized-crime?
It isn’t politically-possible to Do The Right Thing, & survive having done that, right?
Therefore, one tries to find what compromise … one can live-with, for now …
& … then one finds one is trapped in multiple abusive-relationships, & can’t get out, without making things even worse …
& this is approximately the current-situation of every country ( with uprightness ) in the world.
IT ISN’T POSSIBLE TO WIN.
It only is possible to lose-less, if one is careful, in this world-game…
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In November 2023, the Mexican Senate passed a resolution calling on the Mexican executive to recognize Palestine and the State of Palestine upgraded the status of its delegation in Mexico from a “Special Delegation” to a full embassy. While Mexico was listed as having recognized Palestine in 2023 in documents circulated by the United Nations, the President of Mexico, Andrés Manuel López Obrador clarified in May 2024 that Mexico had not yet officially recognized the State of Palestine. In October 2024, Mexican president Claudia Sheinbaum stated that a recognition of a Palestinian state was the right move to achieve peace.
I guess this is why Mexico is light green?
technically Israel recognizes Palestine, otherwise they’re just attacking their own citizens.
No, they think it is people and land that belong to no nation and that the land needs to be annexed and the people need to be replaced.
So damn disgusted by our piece of shit Foreign Minister/former Prime Minister, the eternally corrupt Lars Løkke Rasmussen!
He’s flatly refusing to acknowledge the sovereignty of Palestine before it’s officially granted by Israel, the very fascist apartheid regime preventing it from BECOMING official! 🤬
Crazy how there is that many downvote for this. Seems we are getting infiltrated by zionists
I see four downvotes right now. 19 upvotes.
The percentage was at 64% when I checked it. Why would anybody downvote stats about a Palestinian state anyway?
I’m not a math genius, but I’m pretty sure that’s not 64%:
I checked the thread earlier than you. Of course the percentage will change
When you initially said were getting “infiltrated by Zionists,” there were 4 downvotes. Now there are 11.
There is no infiltration.
Did I said by how much?
“Infiltration” sure implies a lot. If you just meant that there are a handful of Zionists here, I’m not sure why that’s even a little surprising. There’s no rule here that you can’t support Israel even if it isn’t the right thing to do.
You’ll be surprised by how many Arab countries, actually don’t recognize Palestine ( with their actions ) ( e.g. Egypt, Morocco, Algeria, Saudi Arabia… And the list goes on )
Not too sure what you mean.
According to wiki 146 of the 193 United Nations (UN) member states have recognized the State of Palestine, including the ones you mention:
- Egypt recognised Palestine 18 November 1988
- Morocco on 15 November 1988
- Algeria on 15 November 1988
- Saudi Arabia 16 November 1988
They said with their actions.
Like Egypt cooperating with Israel on keeping the border with Gaza closed before Israel invaded.
Recognition just means formally acknowledging that a government exists, it does not imply any sort of cooperation.
For instance, the US recognizes North Korea and Iran but doesn’t cooperate with them, quite the opposite.
Allowing a genocide to continue and allowing Israel to invade and occupy that country they formally acknowledge exists, completely removing the government and taking it over as Israeli territory is a hell of a lot more than just refusing to cooperate.
But if all you care about is some performative political bullshit, I guess that’s fine. I care about complicity in genocide and the destruction of a nation.
I care about accurately summarizing what the OP is about, and it’s about countries that recognize Palestine. It has nothing to do with countries that support or even care the slightest about Palestinians.
But if all you care about is some performative political bullshit, I guess that’s fine.
It sounds like your problem is with the OP, which says 146 countries engage in performative bullshit.
Friend, a lot has happened from 1988, leadership changed, governments overthrown and/or overtaken, plots twisted, laws have been rewritten and other introduced, I’m talking within those countries…
take Algeria for example they recently had their presidential election, their (S)elected president promised them that he’ll build 3 hospitals in Gaza in less than 20 days ( he never did, and will never do )
Morocco just like Algeria is having Secret deals with the Israeli government, such as buying their Pegasus spyware
It seems like these governments are just using Palestinian cause to stay in power, they don’t care
I’m not talking about recognition that’s written on a piece of paper, I’m talking about actions
I suppose, one could argue that Arab countries could have applied efficient diplomatic pressure for a two-state solution if they cared enough to resolve this - decades ago. But I have the impression this would be only part of the story.
Another part is related to the West. The bottom line is that the Zionists are given weapons to commit a genocide in
GazaPalestine, and sustain an occupation for over 7 decades. This is related to the fact that Palestine is not recognised as a country by the US, Germany etc. As long as the traditional colonisers don’t sign these papers they will keep sending military equipement without repercussions internally or internationally.
Making decisions and recognizing a state are fundamentally different things though, right?
Recognition is a very specific thing where a nation formally acknowledges their existence as a state, which also affects their ability to e.g. make diplomatic agreements.
But doing so is totally separate from how you act toward that nation in practice.
Russia, for example, recognises Ukraine as a country (currently), but actively does not respect their right to self-determination or their internationally recognised borders. But it would be wrong to claim that they don’t recognise Ukraine, despite that.
I mean not denying their (our) responsibility, but that’s mostly because they’re bought and paid for by the US.
