A Hong Kong court ordered the liquidation of China Evergrande, the world’s most indebted property developer.
Evergrande has assets of about $245 billion, but owes about $300 billion.
Its demise is a “controlled collapse,” but still raises systemic risk and will hurt investors, says an analyst.
Does it hurt anyone other than investors? Because I could not possibly care less about investors.
That’s the problem with investors, if they’re not making more money than last year they find a way to fuck the rest of us. Either they pressure companies to lay off workers, they pressure the government to cut taxes, lower pesky labour and environmental regulations, or just handover cash in the form of a subsidy or bailout.
Either way they get our money somehow and enshittify our lives. If there’s no hell we’ll need to invent a special kind of justice for these people.
I don’t know if I can really blame the investors themselves for enshittification… I mean, sure, it’s done for their sake but is it their call? They want a return on the investment, but how much say do they have in the companies that actually do the shitty things?
Then again if I gave money to someone and said “go bring me some milk” and they got me milk, but also murdered everyone they saw along the way, I would definitely not be hiring them again and probably could be in trouble despite not asking for or wanting the murders. If the investors don’t pull out when the company is doing shitty things to make them money, they are definitely evil themselves.
Sorry I was just watching a video that was explaining that most companies are run by a handful of people who basically each represent several of the largest shareholders combined. I suppose I was imagining these people making the actual decisions and hiring the board and pushing the direction of the company and the lobbying efforts as the “investors”.
You’re right I don’t mean we should commit war crimes against grandpa because he has a pension fund lol
Probably won’t hurt the investors, they’ll get paid. But all the individual contractors who worked for the company are very unlikely to actually see payment.
“investors” in this case include middle class Chinese citizens, I think that’s worth caring about
I care a lot about what happens to them. I hope there is a hell just so they can burn in it.
and will hurt investors
breaks out world’s tiniest violin
Investors can go suck it, I’m in the corner of the working class.
I don’t think you quite understand that in this case, it’s millions upon millions of working and middle class people who put most of their life’s savings into this.
So you’re in the corner of the working class, and playing the tiniest violin at their suffering?
Are you sure you just an awful person, or do you not read?
I am somewhat concerned about the global implications of this. Evergrande is a symptom of a deeper malaise in the Chinese real estate market.
is a symptom of a deeper malaise in the Chinese real estate market.
Its even worse than that because retail investors in China use real estate as their primary investment vehicle. Where as someone in the USA might put money in a 401k for retirement or a brokerage account for investing, those don’t exist (in the reliable way) in China. So many regular people’s nest egg is tied up in real estate. So this isn’t just the real estate market getting wiped out, its millions of working class people’s life savings just evaporated.
Goddamn. Thanks for the perspective. This is much more horrible than I thought. It sounds like vulnerable working class people are going to be hurt the worst.
They should start a couple utopian city experiments in those ghost suburbs they built way outside cities. Offer housing and a vision and put some academics in charge so we can learn something.
The problem is that those ghost cities aren’t actual cities. The housing is largely worthless and uninhabitable, crumbling before it’s even finished, often only “finished” to look that way from afar. You can’t actually do anything with it other than tear it down.
It looks to me like there are a fair amount of finished homes with fine construction that are vacant due to this whole thing. Many weren’t completed but many were.
Fine construction? Based on what? Have you actually seen these ghost cities? There is nothing fine about them.
Based on scanning wiki and a couple articles and seeing nothing about construction quality aside from unfinished projects, definitely not an authority
The chickens are finally coming home to roost with the decades of bullshit in commercial real estate worldwide without proper regulation. This isn’t unexpected to anyone with half a brain looking at the industry, which means it obviously completely blindsides major institutional investors who never even consider anything more than quarterly numbers in a vacuum. The pandemic exposed the systemic issues so quickly they couldn’t just brush it under a rug with misinformation.
I’m not saying it’s ideal or healthy.
But I don’t see how the west would have an upcoming issue with real estate.
People are still willing to pay increasingly large amounts of money for real estate and when locals can’t afford it they just bring in immigrants.
I’d be interested to know how the real estate valuation in the west is going to decrease.
I have a feeling that “too big to fail” will continue to be the mantra in the west for bailing these institutions out.
Oh boohoo, did someone who enthusiasticly supports capitalism play and loose? Good, welcome to the extreme shittiness of a global free market.
You know, sometimes it’s really obvious when a person is a broke ass jealous loser.
Oh no! I’ve been discovered! 😭🥲 Please tell me how I can be cool and feel good about myself making fun of people on the internet?
