• RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world
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    “Alan… this is why no one comes to your parties anymore.”

    “It’s not because they can’t get in my house because of the size of my beard?”

    “That is a related, yet ancillary, issue.”

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    I think that there are probably quite a large number of groups that are trying to control things.

    The thing is, stochastic chaos and multiple groups working in concert, in the same general direction, and even at cross-purposes greatly affects their ability to create lasting change that matters (even if only for them).

    As such, for any one issue that is “progressing”, there is likely one or more groups working successfully in that direction combined with other groups that are either inadvertently affecting the results, or succeeding or failing to oppose that direction to various degrees.

    There are likely vanishingly few examples of a single group attempting to affect a significant issue unopposed.

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      I realize this is a joke/lyrics, but it’s interesting.

      Actual freedom in this case might look like the deli owner whooping your ass before you get your zipper down. But we live in a state so the deli owner is not really allowed to defend themselves. So what happens depends in actuality depends on the various privilege levels of the deli owner and pisser. Is the deli owner a brown migrant and the pisser a white punk son of a CTO? Or is this a Subway and a black male pisser?

      A privileged pisser learns no lessons within a state, they grow up to cause more bigger problems for more people. America is a state and that precludes freedom.

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        Anyone living with other people is less free than they would be alone, because their actions would only affect themselves. Nobody who lives somewhere that has a deli is totally and completely free, which is what the lyrics are poking fun at.

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          I guess it depends on definitions.

          To me, what might be called “absolute freedom”, i.e. freedom from consequences isn’t a thing at all, no sense even talking about it. You can’t live alone, you are surrounded by microorganisms which will exact consequences on you if you feel you have the freedom to cut your own arm. You’re surrounded by animals that don’t think you have absolute freedom to kick them in the nuts. You don’t have the freedom to stop breathing.

          Whether it’s a bacterium, a lion, or a “deli owner” doesn’t much matter.

          Freedom as I see it is basically do whatever you want, but expect that others will too, and if you harm them, they might defend themselves and/or harm you back so it’s better not to. This basically equates to anarchism, and I don’t see why something one might call a “deli” couldn’t exist. It’s not the capitalist aspects that make a deli what it is, it’s the sandwiches, pickles, and environment.

    • colin@lemmy.uninsane.org
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      “nothing matters” is the tool i use when it’s the weekend and i’m struggling to enjoy it because i’m busy worrying about my job come Monday. but then i walk anyone else through the logic and they tell me it’s depressing and that i shouldn’t tell anyone else what i just told them. so, cheers to the enlightened few 🥂

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    The universe doesn’t care about us. It will continue regardless of our actions.

    I find it both terrifying and comforting.

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      How would a universe care? A hug from a distant comet? 😊

      Is the eqanimous silence really absence of caring?

      Look closer into that comforting silence, you might be surprised.

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    Yeah I had a similar epiphany that I find to be simultaneously comforting on an individual level and unsettling at a macro level.

    Nobody knows what they are doing.

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    We only have one rudder and it’s the capitalists at the helm.

    The only direction that boat can go is “more profit!” even if the waters that leads us to are literally boiling. :/

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      there is no water, just people carrying other people… all the way on top are a couple few sitting on their machines sucking out the lives of those who are carrying them while throwing out trinkets in hope to direct the masses… or something… a nightmarish spike of steel and flesh, a spring fountain of value next to a smokestack of death, all the way down beneath the machinery: on all fours, crushed backs, hands desperately scratching up dirt to feed the machine in hopes for a smidgen of anything and the bottom of the machinery would be a boot…

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      No. Capitalists aren’t an individual. You can’t apply individual logic to them because they fundamentally behave differently. They go for “more profit” because of simple motivations and fundamental limits of perception.

      Saying they’re at the rudder is like saying maggots purposefully decompose a carcass. They do decompose it, but little intelligence or coordination was involved, other organisms also contribute, and they’re all just living life. The actions that send us into boiling water weren’t done to move the ship.

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        It’s the plural of a capitalist, or “they.” They act as a collective and their singular drive of “more profit” collectively are what “hold the rudder” (lobbying, bribing, funding fraudulent scientific studies, etc…) like the collective action of the maggots decompose the body. Maybe one maggot isn’t trying to decay the whole thing, but it is the result of their collective action.

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    Have you heard of synarchy? An actually secret society controls the world via so-called secret societies (the ones you’ve probably heard of), even those with seemingly contradictory goals. Of course they’re so secretive that you’ve never heard of them.

    Just kidding I’m paraphrasing a conspiracy nut from Foucault’s Pendulum (good read, but very Noun heavy).___

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    Well, the people who get their way the most are rich people (duh) and old people (because they vote more than young people)

    Not really a conspiracy but still concerning.

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    Nobody is in control of the world but some very few people have a lot of influence over all of us.