It’s lemmygrad, we’re the spectre. I’d bet at least half of the other instances out there block us, there’s only like 300 dedicated users on this instance, and they still can’t stop complaining about lemmygrad/tankies
Really shows that liberalism is just a cult at this point. These people see any views outside their own bubble as heretical and become emotionally distraught when their own views are questioned. They’re not able to carry a rational discussion or even make an argument. When they engage with others they just follow a call centre style script where they regurgitate the tropes they memorized. The only tactic these trolls use is to brigade and silence views contrary to their own.
They would disagree because “lots of people are liberals.” Which is, ironically, a common defense a lot of cults use to justify why they aren’t a cult.
The “Call centre” script is pretty fascinating though, reminds me a lot of creationists. You can show them evidence of transitional fossils, biology experiments demonstrating evolution in a lab, it doesn’t matter. They’ll ask for specific evidence, then when presented with it, find some excuse to ignore it, like tone policing or attacking a source for being “illegitimate” or “biased” without even reading it. And when they can’t do that, they’ll just ignore the responses and only interact with the people hurling insults because they can dismiss that much more easily than a reasonable argument.
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Do you provide the actual source when the game is up?
The game hasn’t been up so far 😁
But sure, I think I would.
Oof, if I had a dollar each time I’ve linked something only for the lib to say “I’m not reading/watching that.”, I would be wealthy enough to be a member of the bourgeoisie.
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Can you really blame them though? Liberal media is just verbal diarrhea in written form. I don’t remember the exact point in time where I started reading leftist news, but I’m sure there was a Jacobin article or something in there that I read and actually felt like I got something out of it.
Lmao the tankroll. Brrrrr.
This
That’s an interesting idea. I’ve said something similar irl, that there’s a bourgeois script.
There’s no point arguing with someone who goes into it by default. Especially family members. Not everyone uses it, but for those who do, the only end point is an exchange of insults.
Good examples are reactionary TV ‘news’ presenters. They aren’t interested in the argument or evidence, only providing their audience with another example to confirm their pre-existing worldview. There’s always another quip, another reason why they don’t have to consider a new idea. It’s infuriating. But when you can recognise it, you’ll save yourself a lot of intellectual hardship and emotional pain.
Yeah that’s exactly what I realized as well. When you see that people are just regurgitating talking points they memorized, you know there’s no meaningful conversation possible and it’s best to just move on.
>liberalism is just a cult at this point
Had this viewpoint since my Neocon through Third Position days. Still had it by the time I entered communism. Agreed comrade.
I had an irl conversation the other day which hammered this point home. Westoids cannot psychologically handle being called out on being wrong, not knowing something, and on being prejudiced. That and all the other material reasons we know and discuss regularly mean that this instance, no matter how small, is a thorn in their eye, a spectre haunting their dreams.
Especially the prejudice, it’s always that we need to save Chinese people from their government, it’s always some extension of the white man’s burden couched in softer language
It really is treated as a “sin” to be ignorant of something in the west. Personally, I love not knowing something, because it means I get to learn something, but again, education in the west is treated as “that thing that happens when you’re 6-18 and no other time.” and refuse to ever try to educate themselves as adults.
Yea. I’ve learned to not believe everything I hear anymore. It takes time to look into whether something is true for me nowadays.
Lemmygrad: 😴
Lemmy: “tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie”
Rent-free, just as Mao intended
Good.
Its crazy to see all the complaining about tankies, but I hardly see any complaining about exploding heads. Some people supporting Russia over the US is a big deal, but actual fascists passing laws in the US is barely a passing thought. Hating a foreign government more than home grown fascists is an american past time at this point. Shows where the “centrists” and “free speech advocates” sympathies lie.
Tbf exploding heads is defederated even more extensively than we are, and are much smaller instance than us, a lot of them probably aren’t even aware of exploding heads
What is exploding heads?
Nazi free speech absolutist instance
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That’s their secret, cap. They(Amerikan/westernized liberals) hate the working class too; you ever heard how a liberal talks about “flyover country”, “the sticks”, and “the cousinfucker states”?
Most western liberals are primarily focused on social issues because of the media narrative centering those issues as the dividing line. The American two party duopoly does not want people thinking about actual economic policies to help the working class, it would make the masses realize they are much more alike than either sides ruling class
foreign policy is practically identical between the two parties as well.
well, Democrats hate Russia more and Republicans hate China more. Still very similar.
This is making a lot more sense now. I thought this emoji 🤯 was a dog whistle for something and felt too daft to ask.
Oh are people using that emoji to refer to exploding heads?
No, I k don’t think so. I didn’t realise exploding heads was an instance. So I thought you were talking about the emoji.
Oh I see what you mean now
Some ppl in this comment section be like:
just because it makes libs on federation seethe im pinning this post.
I’m honored , honestly it wasn’t even my intention but it’s an added bonus lol
based critical
They hate us because they ain’t us.
Well I’m reading this on .world so it is not blocked there. I think these days people like to put others in boxes to make it easier to have us vs them.
Personally I only block spammers and abusive accounts. I consider myself socialist too if that matters.
Yes, we aren’t blocked by 2 of the biggest instances. I didn’t mean “half the users”, but every time I see a new instance in a username I go check their blocklist and it seems like ~1/2 the time lemmygrad is blocked. You would be welcome to post here even if you weren’t a socialist, you just can’t post capitalism apologia
No need to worry about that 😉. Capitalism has done enough damage already.
There are quite a few socialists over at .world. And some others who aren’t socialists but willing to talk in good faith. It’s nice to see you and them over here.
This is why I made my own instance, when the large instances defederate from one another they are effectively censoring and controlling what you see. In most cases, that means banning any sort of marxist discussion.
There’s some mechanics that need to be sorted out with federation. But I say this while not offering any help to Lemmy, so I’m just ranting and not criticising where the project is right now. They only have so many devs working on it and the founders are doing overtime to bring new features in.
I’m banned from lemmy world apparently which means that lemmy world users who interact on lemmygrad or any other instance will not see my comments, as they won’t be federated (copied over to lemmy world’s database essentially). I can see some problems with that because while I get the principle, it effectively allows instance administrators to determine who can read whom. If you make a friend on another instance too and they get banned or their instance defederated, you’ll lose all contact with them.
Perhaps even worse is that lemmy.world users who come to lemmygrad won’t be able to read my comments, which is just weird because this is my instance. I effectively cannot interact with them even on my home instance! Being an admin too makes it more complicated, like if I posted a pinned message to welcome users from X instance and I’m banned on that instance, they effectively wouldn’t see it. You also don’t get a notif when you’re banned or unbanned, so you would never know.
But I’m sure these will be improved in due time.
I didn’t see a site ban for you in dot world’s modlog, but I did see this gem:
I think a good way to mitigate this for the moment, and temporarily, would be to have a dedicated admin account only for that purpose and your normal user account for anythiny else. This should help fight the problems you have in the short term.
it’s too late unfortunately as I’ve already been banned from lemmy world. Dk if it’s a temp ban or what though and I don’t care enough to trudge through the mod log lol
And all their users don’t realise that the reason those censoring instances look more like Reddit is because Reddit had a campaign to censor all radical speech. It’s not rare because radical speech isn’t popular, it’s rare because it’s hidden and crushed.
Would you talk me briefly through setting up your own instance? Do you just run it when you want to go online or do you need to stay connected with a 24/7 self-hosted server? Don’t answer these questions if it means sharing details that would compromise your security.
Late ass reply, sorry! I just now have finished tweaking my config to my liking.
I purchased a VPS and a domain name - I run it 24/7 on that server. The VPS is about $10 a month. If Lemmy optimized its db queries a little bit I bet I could get away with hosting it on a $5 a month server, though.
On that server, I’m running the Lemmy Docker container. There are some docs here: https://join-lemmy.org/docs/administration/install_docker.html The docs are a little light on the env variable configuration though… there were some settings I had to hunt to find.
I am using Caddy as a reverse proxy: https://join-lemmy.org/docs/administration/caddy.html
Caddy takes care of https automagically with Let’s Encrypt.
All in all, it is a pretty simple setup. I don’t know the security profile of Lemmy so I don’t host anything worthwhile on this server in case it gets compromised, just Lemmy.
if you ever take a stab at it, I’d be happy to help answer questions. I am not sure if there is a dedicated community somewhere in the Fediverse for Lemmy selfhosting discussion.
campaign to censor all radical speech.
Yeah, reminds me of posting in r/socialism101. Got a bunch of responses in from communists but my being able to see them and associated notifications were very delayed, indicating Reddit gave some kind of hidden shadow ban on their posts and the mods were manually approving them.
I thought it was Wisconcom.
That would be a spectre haunting lemmygrad, comrade, although that gives way too much weight to him tbh
He’s the box ghost.
He’s more like a smelly fart, an occasional nuissance
Yes exactly lol
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I love how the Spector seems to imply an evil in the heads of most Normans. I see it in my friends group and I will admit I had heard the line in the past and thought the same. Then I decided to actually read instead of parrot and realized it’s a Spector in the same literary sense as the Spectors from A Christmas Carol that haunt Ebenezer Scrooge.
The Spector of Communism exposes the world to the material realities of it’s past and present, which lay the stones that lead to the grim shadows of a future yet to come. Shadows, dear reader, that we might change by leading an altered life.
Ghost of Christmas Yet To Come
Reminds me of https://existentialcomics.com/comic/148
“A spectre is haunting the Young Hegelians: the spectre of my glorious beard.” “I thought we agreed not to do the spectre thing anymore”
Edit: Fixed typo
In his personal life, Marx was extremely poor at his own finances… He apparently would go on pub crawls where he had one beer at each bar on his street (there were twenty three bars), and would chain smoke and eat poorly.
Literally me fr fr
Shaving is indeed a problem.
Most of them unironically think that we are worse than Nazis!
300? We must have ADHD cus we active as hell and I barely participate
I meant like people who regularly post or comment, we have way more lurkers than 300
Per the sidebar right now it’s just 150 per day, 350 a week, and 669 per month.
I think we’re preeeetty active for our numbers.
669 a month is around double the activity we had before the reddit exodus
Thanks for adding that! I didn’t know it was that much of an increase.
That’s cool.
And the figures in that ‘research’ paper are up to April 2022, with much smaller numbers. Tbh there’s so much wrong with the methodology of that paper, I wouldn’t read too much into it.
Lemmygrad is already acknowledged by all other instances to be itself a power.
Sure, this instance defines itself as pro-Marxism/pro-socialism, and there is a serious conversation to be had about the pros and cons of different systems of economy. I struggle to understand, however, why people on this instance are so pro-Russia today, where Russia now is so blatantly a capitalist kleptocracy. This undermines any perception that people on this instance are approaching this in good faith, and gives the impression lemmygrad is the product of Russian troll farms.
As to why this small instance gathers so much attention within Lemmy, it keeps showing up in my “All” feed, that probably has something to do with it 👾
because it’s a bad faith argument that we’re “pro-Russia”, we are anti-Nato. Sometimes we’re sloppy with our language in here because we expect other comrades to engage with us in good faith and not assume that we are pro Russian. The United States is the great Satan, and any country that opposes it is our temporary ally.
We are not “Pro-Russia”, this is a bad faith label that is used to smear us. We SUPPORT Russia in the current conflict against Nato and the west. Which is what any principled anti-imperialist would do.
So just to wrap my head around this, the anti-imperialists are the ones who have invaded a sovereign country twice in 8 years?
The anti imperialists are the ones preventing the expansion of the organization that attacked Iraq, took part in several conflicts in former Yugoslavia, invaded Afghanistan, attacked Iraq again and then Libya.
All while expanding to 15 countries in the last 30 years. That is the imperialism we are opposing.
So the anti-imperialists are the ones who invaded twice and annexed Chechnya, rolled tanks into Georgia, invaded Luhansk, Donetsk and Crimea in a blatant land grab, levelled Syrian cities (which is ongoing btw) and used chemical weapons on civilians, aggressively pursued Russian interests in Mali, Libya and Sudan with the Wagner group, and started a full scale invasion of Ukraine which is ongoing… and they’re the good guys?
It’s wild that you can look at them and say yeah, russia are the good guys in this whole thing lol. There’s a reason why countries want to be in NATO in 2023 and that reason is Russia.
You did not just compare Russia preventing a Jihadist breakaway state from forming in their country to the US destroying Iraq for made up reasons and creating the catalyst for all modern Islamist terrorism, Jesus fucking Christ.
Just casually sweeping the soviet invasion of Afghanistan under the rug 👏
More ahistorical nonsense.
They asked the Soviets to help them…kinda like how the people of the Donbass also asked Russia to help them.
🗣️ IMPERIALISM DOESNT MEAN “ONE COUNTRY INVADES ANOTHER PLEASE GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD”
Aight I googled it because learning is fun
- a policy of extending a country’s power and influence through colonization, use of military force, or other means*
Sounds like it fits mate
Lmao, you probably think the soviets pushing into Nazi Germany on the eastern front is Russian “imperialism” too, since a military entered a foreign country. Read a book.
Not at all dude. Russia defended its land in an existential war against a fascism in way not dissimilar to what Ukraine is doing right now. I suppose the question is why does Russia 41-45 have the right to defend their sovereignty while Ukraine 2014-present does not? Don’t forget that the Soviets benefitted massively from US and British arms and equipment much like Ukraine today.
Do yourself a favor and see what happened in 2014.
I’ll give you a hint. It was a coup.
Anti-imperialists that support the country trying to revive their imperial past.
why people on this instance are so pro-Russia today,
You, just like every other tourist from afar, miss the point of "critical support". Deliberate emphasis on the ‘critical’. We do not uphold the kleptocracy. We do not uphold Putin. We do not uphold the federation. But right now, at the same time, Russia is one of like… The three or four world powers currently spitting in the Evil Empire’s eye. That, we critically support, in that we can support one action while holding critique bordering on condemnation for everything else they do.
I don’t speak for everyone here, but the prevailing attitude I see from most communists I associate with is not one of overt support for Russia. I have occasionally seen misguided nostalgia for the USSR, which the Russian Federation is not, but it isn’t common.
Not supporting the US via a proxy war, or NATO, or Ukraine does NOT mean supporting Russia. A common misconception liberals have is everything must be black and white, us vs them. If you don’t support X you must support Y. In their minds, everything must be a simple “good guy vs bad guy” dichotomy. That simply isn’t true. When two imperialist capitalist countries are at war, we should only strive to encourage a peaceful resolution as soon as possible for the sake of the actual people affected ((EDIT: Just to clarify since I realized I might be unclear here, I am speaking in generalities. I don’t think this particular invasion has imperialist undertones, there are many more other underpining reasons it started). Supporting NATO would only serve to escalate and prolong their suffering. If they truly cared for anyone in Ukraine, they would not have repeatedly blocked attempts at signing peace agreements.
We understand a lot of the underlying justifications for the war and the provocations that led to it, but again that does necessitate cheerleading for Russia either. It just means we know that Putin did not wake up one morning and randomly decide to invade Ukraine for fun.
Nobody is pro-Putin. We are anti-NATO. That’s a very different thing.
That’s the whole problem. In western circles, it’s socially unacceptable to say one word in favour of Russia. If you do, you’re branded as succumbing to russian propaganda or a bot. Because nobody reasonable would support Russia.
There was an article posted here recently that was written by one of you. He served as the assistant general secretary for the UN. Not a troll, educated, and has no reason to support Russia (just like we don’t). Also “escaped East Germany”. He wrote this:
https://www.meer.com/en/74782-will-the-ukraine-war-be-the-undoing-for-the-european-union
It’s something that could well have been written by people here, aside from the swipes at the Soviet Union. I strongly suggest you check it out, if you actually wish to understand our viewpoint. It was written with liberals in mind as the target audience.