The Colorado Department of State warned that it would be “a matter for the Courts” if the state’s Republican party withdrew from or ignored the results of the primary.
They seem to be rather missing the point. It wouldn’t matter if they switch to a caucus, he’s banned from running in the state so all they would do is exclude Republicans from having a candidate for president in the general election. This is very much in the “don’t threaten me with a good time” territory.
They wouldn’t win the state anyway so being removed from the ballot is good for them - it makes challenging the nationwide legitimacy of the election easier.
If Trump loses, it will help him to have Fox News (truthfully!) say that millions of people who wanted to vote for him were prevented from doing so.
So what. They don’t play by the rules. They will lie, cheat, steal, and incite insurrection no matter what rules are or aren’t followed.
Trying to pander to these psychos is like trying to play a friendly game of chess with a chimp. You follow the rules, even let the chimp win but no matter what you do the chimp is just gonna throw the board across the room, throw shit at you, and then bite your face off.
Anyway, the court ruled. Just like they did in FL during the Bush v Gore election. Let’s let SCOTUS do whatever they’re gonna do and go from there.
If the GOP doesn’t like it, they can get fucked. Or let them start their CivIL WaR and let’s see how it turns out for 'em.
Wish Democratic leadership had your backbone. The GOP went ape-shit crazy in 2006 when Obama took office. Downhill since then.
Democrats have been too fucking dumb to realize they’re in a fight, getting their asses kicked and the rules are out the window. Fight back. Lie, cheat and steal. Why don’t they have their own propaganda arm like Fox?!
FFS, win for once. Taking the high ground isn’t working, and won’t when the other side doesn’t recognize the rules.
I’ll keep voting D, but I’m damned disappointed.
The greater concern to Republicans is that there are other issues people vote on when casting their ballot, not the just President. If their voters stay home, they could lose more than just the Presidency.
And?
He’d say that when if he lost and the viewers would still believe him.
I think the point is that a caucus is overseen by the party, not the state. I still don’t know the legality of doing it at this late stage after the primary has been agreed to and will be set on Jan 5, but that’s their thinking.
This is my favorite part though:
Nevertheless, Williams told NBC News that the Colorado Republican Party would look to kick off the process of putting together a caucus in “the next week or two,” requesting a waiver to convert the system from the Republican National Committee. … “We’re figuring it out as we go,” Williams said.
A whole week or two to put together a caucus.
You’re not understanding. They’re complaining about the primary so their solution is essentially to hold their own primary outside of state control, but he wouldn’t be able to run in the general election even if he wins their primary so it doesn’t matter. As things currently stand there’s only two possibilities, Trump loses the primary to someone else in which case things continue as normal, or Trump wins the primary in which case the GOP wouldn’t be able to run a presidential candidate in Colorado. Biden (assuming he’s the DNC candidate for the general election) would run unopposed in Colorado.
Probably not earth shattering since he would likely win there even if Trump could run there, but if Trump isn’t on the ballot a certain percentage of GOP voters won’t bother going to the polls which will hurt the GOP in senate and congress races as well as on state votes.
Oh man your last point is important. I’m so low on confidence in the system that I’m nervous to rely on the government a tuallly excluding him from the ballot, but if he really is banned it’d be so awesome to watch gop officials freaking the fuck out as their turn out numbers drop like a meteor
I haven’t seen a law stating that the secretary can keep a candidate legally nominated by the party off of the ballot. There may be such a law, but I haven’t seen it mentioned. The only law I’ve seen is the one allowing them to design the primary ballot based on their own determination of eligibility. I’d be happy to read anything you have about the same type of law applying to the general.
That’s assuming that such a nomination would be legal. I’m pretty sure most places have laws that say “you must be eligible for the office in order to stand as a candidate for it.” Colorado Republicans could nominate Justin Bieber, but that wouldn’t make him eligible to be President.
The ruling is that the sec state cannot allow onto the ballot a candidate who is legally disqualified.
Not quite. The law is that the secretary cannot allow someone onto the primary ballot who is, in their opinion, disqualified. The ruling is that CO has the right to use that law to keep Trump off of the primary ballot.
I don’t know whether that law also applies to the general election ballot, but the fact that the republicans think that they can pull it out of the state’s hands and do a run around with a caucus makes me think it’s about the primaries. I don’t think they can legally switch to a caucus mid race for other reasons, but if they do they think it’s a path.
The argument would be that he’s ineligible due to the 14th amendment and therefore they’re just enforcing the constitution which would supercede state law anyway. That would of course be a very interesting legal question as the crux of it is is a state allowed to enforce a provision of the constitution that the federal government isn’t (which is itself a state of affairs that raises all kinds of questions).
Yes exactly. That’s the argument that has already been discarded in this case. Were Trump to be found guilty of insurrection, he would be legally ineligible under the constitution. What team Trump is hoping to do is to win on the insurrection case or to delay trial until after he wins the presidency, after which he has any number of ways to escape prosecution.
However, if he is found guilty before the general ballots are set (or after, I suppose - I really don’t know that part) he would be ineligible but that would be based on a federal court ruling and not on the judgement of the secretary, I believe.
Technically the 14th amendment doesn’t require him to be found guilty at trial, although it would be a much stronger argument if he was. That argument also hasn’t been discarded, it’s still being argued in court right now. This was just an attempt to use an alternative approach to accomplish the same thing.
Ultimately with the way things are going it’s looking increasingly likely Trump won’t make it to the general election. He’s either going to fail to secure the primary, going to lose an insurrection case and become ineligible under the 14th amendment, or lose one of his many other criminal cases and wind up in jail. It’s always possible he could campaign from a jail cell, but his already shaky chances of winning in that case go down drastically.
His strategy right now is around delaying tactics because he’s frantically trying to prevent any of his court cases from wrapping up before the general election in the hope that he wins and can effectively become immune from criminal prosecution. The biggest danger to him right now though is actually his own party. On the one hand they know what kind of monster he is and would rather he just disappeared. On the other hand they’re absolutely terrified of his fanatic cult members and know that Trump could easily turn them on anyone who too obviously moves against him. If they can find a way to bury Trump that can’t be tied back to them they’ll absolutely jump at that chance, all while decrying how terrible the situation is, and how unfortunate it is this happened to Trump.
Remember when people who employed fascist rhetoric, incited riots at Capitols, tried to destroy democracy and kill a sitting Vice President were considered terrorists by everyone and weren’t to be negotiated with?
Pepperidge Farms does.The comments in conservative communities are saying democrats are fascists and blaming them for shit conservatives did in the past.
Basically flaunting their ignorance of history and the southern strategy while intentionally muddying the waters with projection. It’s gross
*dangerous ftfy
Pepperidge Farms does.
Doubtful. They’re probably back to donating money to fascists for a 1% lower tax rate.
What does that mean, they’ll have their own election with blackjack and hookers?
Don’t say black in the presence of GOPers.
This has nothing to do with Melanie trump.
They’re just going to take their burning cross and go home.
sounds like threats from terrorists
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… The, “terrorists” From an England perspective, are the Democrats removing a presidential candidate over empty nothings. He hasn’t been actually convicted and yet, this is happening.
Slippery slope, etc. etc.
They’re following the specific language of the 14th amendment. That’s terrorism now? It actually doesn’t say he needs to be convicted of any insurrection – it says that he needs to have participated in an insurrection. And, it provides a specific check and balance (two-thirds vote in congress) if a court is attempting to keep him off the ballot improperly.
It sounds like we have a difference of factual understanding of what happened on January 6th. Where are you getting “empty nothings”? I saw this is why I’m saying it wasn’t nothing.
A judge did say he was an insurrectionist.
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Not Democrats. Colorado supreme court. The plaintiffs in the case are actually Republican primary voters.
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He isn’t a presidential candidate yet. He’s a candidate for the Republican presidential candidate
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Not empty nothings, Congressional investigations show there was an insurrection, and that some groups were specifically planning for this day.
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The 14th amendment by design does not require a conviction, as it was made to bar confederates. This clause has only been applied in situations without convictions, actually.
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Nice concern trolling, lmao.
Maybe you need to go read the 14th amendment and also the rulings.
The legal process was followed. The courts decided. Don’t like it? Tough shit.
I didn’t like it when the SCOTUS said to stop counting and give the election to Bush.
That’s not an England perspective. It’s a moron perspective. I’m betting there are quite a few people in England who are at least a little less idiotic.
From an Australian perspective, yeah, nah.
Lol. U mad bro?
Are you from England?
Colorado has literally done exactly this before to keep a non-natural born citizen off the ballot, and none other than Judge Gorsuch decided that case. In his ruling he wrote that the state has a right to conduct their elections in a way to ensure their stability and in accordance with their laws. Thomas ruled the same way in Bish v Gore, and the SC ruled the same way while overturning key provisions in the Voting Rights Act.
I wonder what the difference is this time that would make conservatives do a full reverse and say states cannot control their own elections?
How dumb can you be
If it was nothing how come people went to Jail for Insurrection?
He doesn’t need to be convicted
Dave Williams, the chairman of the state party, reaffirmed the plan. “I’m not going to let these sons of bitches dictate who we’re going to nominate,”
Where was Dave on January 6th?
Pretty sure anyone giving comfort to Trump on this matter now is giving comfort to an insurrectionist. Time to clean house.
The goddamn constitution is the one dictating
do it then. no one’s afraid of you. y’all threaten a civil war every time the waiter forgets your ranch. we’re done capitulating to threats. do it or shut the fuck up.
Remember Jan 6th? That was their attempt at a civil war. We believe them, we just don’t give a damn because they’re like that anyway.
I love that instead of doing any type of introspection about letting someone that has been channeling Hitler in his campaign rails, and tried to overthrow the US government to remain in power represent your political party, they just want to change the rules basically making the choice for the voters that might want a real candidate.
Go ahead, lol. Vote for someone who can’t be president.
Dave Williams, the chairman of the state party, reaffirmed the plan. “I’m not going to let these sons of bitches dictate who we’re going to nominate,” he said
So eloquently put by the chairman of the party of Christian family values.
Well, they can do their caucus thing as they like. As long as Trump will not appear on the ballot, I’m fine with it.
The courts decision is a bit wonky, though. I don’t consider “being the candidate for party X” an “office, civil or military, of the United States”, so banning him from the primaries is (IMHO) unwarranted. On the other hand, the court admits that Trumps actions are valid reasons to invoke A14, so removing him from the ballot papers for November would be justified. And that is the only place that counts.
If by the 14th he is not eligible for the presidency outside of 2/3rds of Congress voting to waive that, then why the fuck should he be on the ballot? It’s pointless.
That’s like saying I’m banned from a venue but keeping me from getting in line to enter is unfair and unwarranted.
Do you hear yourself? I guess you think you know better than the high courts lmao
why the fuck should he be on the ballot?
Because the Republicans should be able to do whatever they want in their candidate selection process, all the way up to and including running a disqualified candidate. It’s their club and they can run it however they like.
Luckily for you, Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch already ruled on that precise topic when he was a Colorado judge. A foreign born man who had become a US citizen, a person who is ineligible by default, still insisted he should have the right to run for president even if he can’t take office.
Gorsuch ruled that the state had a responsibility to prevent anyone who is ineligible for office from even being allowed on the ballot.
His decision was even cited in Trumps ruling.
He didn’t actually rule on this. There was no question of eligibility in that case, it was just whether being ineligible for the position gave the state the right to block him from the ballot. This one will hinge on whether or not the amendment applies to trump. And based on the wording of the amendment, unfortunately, they have multiple ways to reasonably argue it does not, and we all know the conservative majority will rule he is eligible.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States
Can’t hold any office. Pretty plain.
Colorado GOP: removes trump from ballot. Also Colorado GOP: rages that trump was removed from ballot.
“snowflake” doesn’t even begin to describe the level of self-flagellation the GOP have for themselves.
seek therapy, GOP.
If they try to still put him on the ballot, Colorado should treat it as if he isn’t on there and announce the second place Republican as the winner for the state’s primary.
The republicans literally can’t put him on the ballot. They don’t print the ballots.
Oh, I’m sure they’d still try something incredibly dumb.
They’ll just tell people to write Trump in.
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Tldr…
Wtf does that even mean in context of his job position?
