Data poisoning: how artists are sabotaging AI to take revenge on image generators::As AI developers indiscriminately suck up online content to train their models, artists are seeking ways to fight back.

  • Dr. Moose@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Just don’t out your art to public if you don’t want someone/thing learn from it. The clinging to relevance and this pompous self importance is so cringe. So replacing blue collar work is ok but some shitty drawings somehow have higher ethical value?

    • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      10 months ago

      “Just don’t make a living with your art if you aren’t okay with AI venture capitalists using it to train their plagiarism machines without getting permission from you or compensating you in any way!”

      If y’all hate artists so much then only interact with AI content and see how much you enjoy it. 🤷‍♂️

      • teichflamme@lemm.ee
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        10 months ago

        It has literally nothing to do with plagiarism.

        Every artist has looked at other art for inspiration. It’s the most common thing in the world. Literally what you do in art school.

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          10 months ago

          It’s not an artist any more than a xerox machine is. It hasn’t gone to art school. It doesn’t have thoughts, ideas, or the ability to create. It can only take and reuse what has already been created.

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            10 months ago

            The ideas are what the prompts and fine tuning is for. If you think it’s literally copying an existing piece of art you just lack understanding because that’s not how it works at all.

      • Dr. Moose@lemmy.world
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        10 months ago

        It has nothing to do with AI venture capitalists. Also not every profession is entitled to income, some are fine to remain as primarily hobbies.

        AI art is replacing corporate art which is not something we should be worried about. Less people working on that drivel is a net good for humanity. If can get billions of hours wasted on designing ads towards real meaningful contributions we should added billions extra hours to our actual productivity. That is good.

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          10 months ago

          The ratio of using AI to replace ad art:fraud/plagiarism has to be somewhere around 1:1000.

          “Actual productivity” is a nonsense term when it comes to art. Why is this less “meaningful” than this?

          Without checking the source, can you even tell which one is art for an ad and which isn’t?

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            10 months ago

            I would assume the first to be an ad, because most of depicted people look happy

    • Red_October@lemmy.world
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      10 months ago

      The idea that you would actually object to replacing labor with automation, but think replacing art with automation is fine, is genuinely baffling.

      • Dr. Moose@lemmy.world
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        10 months ago

        Except the “art” ai is replacing is labor. This snobby ridiculous bullshit that some corporate drawings are somehow more important than other things is super cringe.

      • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
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        10 months ago

        Yeah, no. There’s a difference between posting your work for someone to enjoy, and posting it to be used in a commercial enterprise with no recompense to you.

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          10 months ago

          How are you going to stop that lol it’s ridiculous. Would you stop a corporate suit from viewing your painting because they might learn how to make a similar one? It’s makes absolutely zero sense and I can’t believe delulus online are failing to comprehend such simple concept of “computers being able to learn”.

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            10 months ago

            Ah yes, just because lockpickers can enter a house suddenly everyone’s allowed to break and enter. 🙄

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            Computers can’t learn. I’m really tired of seeing this idea paraded around.

            You’re clearly showing your ignorance here. Computers do not learn, they create statistical models based on input data.

            A human seeing a piece of art and being inspired isn’t comparable to a machine reducing that to 1’s and 0’s and then adjusting weights in a table somewhere. It does not “understand” the concept, nor did it “learn” about a new piece of art.

            Enforcement is simple. Any output from a model trained on material that they don’t have copyright for is a violation of copyright against every artist who’s art was used illegally to train the model. If the copyright holders of all the training data are compensated and have opt-in agreed to be used for training then, and only then would the output of the model be able to be used.

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                10 months ago

                That’s just one of the dumbest things I’ve heard.

                Naming has nothing to do with how the tech actually works. Ignorance isn’t an excuse. Neither is stupidity

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        10 months ago

        Are you actually suggesting that if I post a drawing of a dog, Disney should be allowed to use it in a movie and not compensate me?

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          Everyone should be assumed to be able to look at it, learn from it, and add your style to their artistic toolbox. That’s an intrinsic property of all art. When you put it on display, don’t be surprised or outraged when people or AIs look at it.