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I’d take diesel train infrastructure over electric cars any day
Or… Electric trains? Perhaps?
(And the good ones with overhead lines not the shitty battery ones)
Diesel can keep going when there is a power outage even if it is just enough to get people to safety.
I wonder if anybody is doing electric trains with onboard emergency diesel generators. They wouldn’t need to be able to move the train at full speed. They would just need to be able to get the train moving to the next station or whatever, in the event of a prolonged outage or damage to infrastructure.
thats not what I mean. Of course they would best but either option is better than EVs. Diesel trains are cheaper tho
Both would be good.
Not through cities. We need clean running options in densly populated areas
Thats not my point, my point is that dirty running trains are better than clean running cars.
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That’s a drop in the ocean compared to the total oil produced every single day.
Actually, in 2022 there were 94m barrels produced globally per day. So this is 2%. Statistically, not insignificant. Hopefully it’ll continue to grow rapidly.
How the fuck do you people think these electric vehicles are powered?
Depends where you are. In the US as a whole (so this varies heavily state-to-state), about 60% fossil fuels
In France, about 6% fossil fuels.
And it looks like even if the car is charged partly by fossil fuels the power generation for an electric car is cleaner than running a gas car in 95% of the world.
I appreciate you coming with the numbers.
I would have to dig to find it, but I remember reading years ago in a Car and Driver article that EV’s powered by even the dirtiest coal power plants will still return around 30 MPGe, which is better than most vehicles on the road today.
Granted that article was from before the Hummer EV, so I’m sure that number will have changed somewhat.
i would love for the United States to build more nuclear power plants and get this percentage down!
I dont understand. What is your point? Is it that having an extra 1.8 million barrels burned is good? Is it that Power Plant + ICE cars is cleaner than Power Plant - ICE cars? Hiw is it that you people keep getting hopping mad every time progress is made? What do you gain? Why do your feefees get hurt? What is the big “gotcha” that you keep trying to make?
It does no good to try to explain anyway. When you explain that mining all the shit that goes into making the batteries for these cars, it completely offsets whatever exaggerated gain they make. Not only that, but the incredible human cost as well. But you just go ahead and feel good about yourself and your shitty “green” cars.
Sounds like you need to go huff some exhaust
Magic 🧝♂️
That’s the way most people look at it.
Yeah… Really want to bring that down staggeringly?
STOP DRIVNG A GODDAMN CAR FOR SUB 5 MILE TRIPS AND START USING BIKES, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION FOR LONGER TRIPS, AND YOUR LEGS FOR, YOU KNOW, TEO BLOCKS.
While at it, all the American continent should start redesigning their cities. Everything is designed for cars only, it’s all unsustainable.
While at it, all the American continent should start redesigning their cities. Everything is designed for cars only, it’s all unsustainable.
This, ban stroads, end climate change. Force companies to solve the housing issues and mandate de-gentrification. Bam, we all have a future, we can afford homes, WFH becomes truly optional and RTO policies don’t ruin livelihoods. It would be the next thing down from curing cancer, ending world hunger, and truly being the E in DEI for all.
Force companies to solve the housing issues and mandate de-gentrification.
These two things are opposites though?
Yeah well you cant expect consistent ideas.
>end climate change
*laughs in China*
Fuck.
Have an upvote.
The downvotes are from the conservative astroturfers that have been busy making Lemmy into more of a shithole like Reddit.
Also people who have places to go, things to carry or don’t live in places friendly to bikes. Maybe even people who think writing things in all caps is lazy. Not everything is caused by the conservative boogieman. Both nuance and effective communication are important.
The commenter said for short haul distances. Going to the store around the corner? You don’t need to bring the pickup truck (statistically, in North America, that’s probably the vehicle you drive).
Right, I don’t need a pickup truck, but I do need a trunk to put my groceries in to feed my entire family. I also need to do it quickly. They said 5 miles, that’s a long way.
is less oil dug up and burned?
Why did feel a need to poohpooh electric cars for such a weird reason?
if there is no difference in the actual oil extraction and burning, then it does no good.
A little less yeah, considering that there has been an increase in renewables for grid power, also it’s much more efficient burn oil/natgas/etc. in a big powerplant than in an ICE car, so less is needed overall.
So yes. It does help. But electric trains are still better lol And we need more renewable grid power
less is needed overall.
So yes. It does help
this is what i’m dubious about. just because less is burned in, say, passenger vehicles does not mean any less is produced or burned in some other industry. this article actually says that we made more oil this year than last.
But it does mean less was produced for and burned by the automotive industry
All other things equal if those EVs were ICE then even more oil would have been used for what should be obvious reasons
then even more oil would have been used
if the oil is in the ground, it can’t have been used.
Do you think we literally use oil as we dig it up with no buffer?
Or that oil extraction amount isn’t being constantly adjusted based on demand by every entity in charge of it?
Or that if more ICE vehicles were on the road more oil would be needed?
These are all very basic concepts
i think there is no way to prove we would have dug up and burned any more oil than we did since we can’t prove a counterfactual. what we do know is, despite an increased use of electric vehicles, oil extraction increased.
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unless it actually decreased GHG emissions, it did no good. it’s rearranging the deck chairs.
This is bullshit where is the proof also the electric batteries are mined by.kids in.the cpngo
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but also factor in what it takes to charge those batteries because that is fossil fuel somewhere down the line.
You’re soooo behind the schedule. That was the anti-EV talking point 5 years ago. You were supposed to move to ‘but did they factor in the battery production??’ (which they do) and now use one of ‘but is the grid ready for so many EV?’ or ‘there are no EVs below $30.000’!!. You’re welcome.
No, even those are the old talking points! Now it’s “EVs have batteries that are very heavy, so they generate lots of tire particulates, which is way worse than the tailpipe emissions of ICE cars, which somehow magically don’t also have tires or something, and aren’t also getting heavier every year.”
Why wasn’t I told about the new talking points? I though we agreed all new talking points will be shared during Monday meetings. I will have a word with Kevin about this.
You skipped brakes. For a short time generating brake pad particulates was the talking point, until they discovered what “regen” meant
They did.
Naturally, less oil being burnt means less CO2 emissions. BNEF estimates that electric vehicles currently prevent 112 million metric tons of CO2 emissions per year. And this is net emissions reductions, also taking into account the emissions from extra electricity generation.
oh nice
edit: so the article claimed to have factored electricty generation. Cant believe you are the one being downvoted this hard. As someone who worked in the renewable energy research institute, each time people equal ev to ‘clean’ automatically I get crazy. The article especially mentioned china, who has a significant portion of electricty generated by coal. Even its by oil, it would produce more co2 for energy loss in conversion. The article has no merit with such flawed comparison
The article literally states they factored in charging the battery, which is the main reason they are being down voted. Read the dang article if you are going to criticize it.
I did not catch the single sentence buried there while being distracted by the old/new ev critism talk. Thanks for pointing out. This is interesting now if true. I’m reading the pdf later
Yeah I am assuming it is true based off other reasings. Didn’t really read the data behind this article though. From past references larger battery EVs take about 16 months of break-in before it’s carbon neutral for manufacturing / emissions costs from an ICE vehicle. At that point even the heavy fossil fuel reliant electrical grids for charging is more energy / carbon neutral than the cost to refine / deliver / use gasoline for ice vehicles.
