So here we go again…
Please direct all comments and links regarding the actual VOTING to this thread.
Edit Confirmed, Mike Johnson is the next speaker after running the table of all present and voting Republicans, 220 to Hakeem Jeffries 209.
If you’d like to know more about Mike Johnson, here’s a good link:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/25/who-is-mike-johnson-republican-2020-election
I’ll leave this pinned for 24 hours so everyone can catch up, then take it down.
1st vote count is in:
Hakeem Jeffries - 212 (217 needed to win)
Jim Jordan - 200
Steve Scalise - 7
Kevin McCarthy - 6
“Others” - 7
Jordan could have only lost 4 votes, he lost 20.
2nd vote:
Jeffries - 212
Jordan - 199
Scalise - 7
McCarthy - 5
Zeldin - 3
“Others” - 7 (one each)
Edit 3rd vote is in, House in recess.
Jeffries - 210
Jordan - 194
Scalise - 8
McHenry - 6
Zeldin - 4
Donalds - 2
McCarthy - 2
“Others” - 3 (1 each)
Matt Gaetz has vowed to oppose expanding the powers for McHenry:
The guy described HIMSELF as “David Duke without the baggage.” I’ve never seen a word do as much lifting as the word “baggage” as he used it.
I really want to know, what’s left when you take away the baggage from “David Duke”.
Did he have any redeeming qualities?
No.
It reminds me of that Christopher Hitchens quote. “If you gave Jerry Falwell an enema, you could bury him in a matchbox.”
Goddamn I miss Christopher Hitchens.
Who’s David Duke?
Failed politician and former Grand Wizard of the KKK.
So if you consider the Grand Wizard as the baggage, that leaves us with “failed politician.” If you consider failed politician as the baggage, that leaves the KKK.
So he’s a bright star for maga dumb-dumbs either way.
I consider the baggage to be the fact that people know David Duke was racist. Had they not known about the racism, he would not have baggage.
I think that is what Scalice was saying. He’s like David Duke except not everyone knows how racist he is.
He was the 1970s inspiration for men to wear really tight, closely-cut jean cutoff shorts.
I see ya down here, bud, and I liked the cut of your jib.
David Duke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke - The first sentence: “David Ernest Duke (born July 1, 1950) is an American politician, white supremacist, antisemitic conspiracy theorist, and former grand wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.”
You’re one internet search away from knowing.
Guarantee if you search that with no other context, the first result will be the right one.
So, the Republican Party is down with the KKK. The mask is off, isn’t it?
Will the “liberal media” please catch up?
Good people on both sides…
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The liberal media are enablers, they’re not going to catch up.
They basically help create the personas of these people to generate engagement. Obsessive liberal media coverage of Trump in January-March 2016 that immediately treated him as a frontrunner and amped up his persona. Coincidentally this was the coverage that Trump’s base consumed for entertainment. Almost all the MAGA Trump video montages at the time were “shocked” liberal media personalities.
Agreed. There are still a few journalists with the clout to be able to ask difficult questions and hold the powerful to account but they’re a dying breed. Most are shit scared of speak truth to power because they know they’ll be denied access if they upset anyone. It’s not journalism, it’s stenography.
I think it’s also the business model and decline of print media. News is now part of social media feeds competing with memes, internet drama, and friend’s posting. Quickly consumable content that generates interaction is way more likely to succeed, etc.
the liberal media is too busy calling everyone who thinks a country shouldn’t cut off food and water to civilians is a terrorist enabler…
I repeat, will the “liberal media” please catch up?
We’re gonna have a problem here.
There’s only one person who deserves to be speaker.
HAKEEEEEEEEM JEFFRIES!
with a nice backup of Jamie Raskin
Scalise beat Jordan 113-99.
Democrats unanimously renominated House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, D-N.Y.,
To win the gavel, a candidate needs support from a majority of the House members present, meaning the eventual speaker will need 217 votes if every one of the current members votes and does so for a candidate by name. There are currently 433 members, with two vacancies, so a majority is 217.
If members are absent, or if some vote present instead of supporting a candidate, that decreases what the majority vote needs to be. The House is intended to have a total membership of 435 members, so a majority is usually 218.
I’m looking forward to watching the Democrats stay united behind Jeffries for every single vote. Again.
They will.
Steve Scalise barely beat Jim Jordan, who *if I’m not mistaken, is the guy that helped cover up a bunch of sexual abuse? That Jim Jordan?
Jim Jordan is the sexual abuse cover up guy at OSU. Scalise is the blatant white supremacist who speaks at hate group events (see European-American Unity and Rights Organization which was founded by David Duke who used to head the KKK) and also compared himself to David Duke.
It’s Gym Jordan. You don’t wanna keep confusing people what his name is.
Wait, Gym Jordan and Jim Jordan are the same two people, responsible for covering up multiple occurrences of sexual abuse at Ohio State University and also being a Republican representative?
Yes, his name is Jim Jordan, but the assaults he covered up happened in relation to an atheletics program, hence “Gym Jordan”.
So you’re telling me that Gym Jordan is THE Jim Jordan, the Republican representative who perpetrated a conspiratorial cover up of sexual abuse crimes against students at Ohio State University?
One and the same!
It’s a long shot, but Moderate Republicans and McCarthy supporters could cast a vote for Democrat Jefferies as a FU to the Freedom Caucus. They would likely be able to get things done as a result.
Honestly, I’m really don’t understand why this didn’t happen last time.
Surely there have to be a few Republicans in Blue leaning districts that just barely got voted in and are at risk of losing their seat next election.
There is just so much to gain by putting country above party under those circumstances.
They’d lose their primaries. Republicans have gotten to the point where if you can win a primary, you can’t win the general unless it’s a red state.
It’s really shitty how they let that happen. But they had multiple opportunities to prevent it and took literally none of them.
Oh sweet summer child
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That will never happen. It’s much more likely IMHO for Democrats to throw some votes at a moderate Republican to get them over the line. Not Kevin, probably not Steve Scalise.
Becoming Speaker is only part of the story, though. The Speaker sets the agenda (meaning the day’s schedule) but that agenda is subject to a vote and needs a majority every single time. So any Democrats who support a Republican (or vice versa) would have to be relied on to vote in favor of that speaker’s scheduling, otherwise nothing can be scheduled.
Very unlikely to happen
Yes, it is very unlikely to happen, but still more likely than any Republicans voting for Democrats.
The only way one side is voting for the other’s nominee is if they get a deal with some real concessions. I don’t see it happening.
Meanwhile in Canada we just got free (covered) dental care for youth, and will be getting a pharmacare plan because 1 party needed the others support to govern and gave concession.
Imagine what they could actually do in the US if they actually worked together out of this madness.
Edit: There’s gotta be hundreds of things moderates in both parties could agree to as concessions for joint support.
Gotta try this guy at least a dozen times first.
Jeffries was picked by the House Democrats. It’s not a long shot, it’s 100% fever dream impossible that any Republicans would just vote for the Democrat option.
The long shot is getting a group of half moderate Republicans and half moderate Democrats and picking a Republican speaker who is moderate. That’s not going to happen either.
The barely realistic possibility of bipartisan Speaker votes is a few moderate Democrats vote for a Republican candidate.
Jeffries is probably closer than Scalise.
When they finally do a vote, I can see the ranking of Jeffries #1, Scalise #2, whoever else is dumb enough to run #3.
With none of them getting 217, but Jeffries hitting 209 or 210.
There we go! One of the Dems had the balls to call him what he is. A fucking insurrectionist. Fuck Gym Jorden and the Republican party.
Two of them, now.
Should be every single one, but I’ll take it.
Also, I’m surprised Gosar didn’t throw out a Sig Heil when voting for his fellow Nazi.
You all should see the picture in “Jim Jordan fails to win the speakership on first ballot” at CNN. Absolutely hilarious.
Oh man, my day has absolutely been brightened.
EDIT: Here, I’ll try posting a picture:
That’s gonna be a meme
I tried my best.
Jeffries is still closer to Speaker than Jim Jordan.
Jim Jordan is still closer to being Speaker than I really want him to be.
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Jordan says he’s going to keep trying. $10 says he actually loses votes as this goes on
At least one member said they were switching from McCarthy to Jordan on the second vote, so sadly we’re probably not going to get a revolt.
Jim Jordan just dropped out for Speaker. Republicans are back to square one with no nominee.
It’s okay though, they’re hurting the right people. Themselves.
A politician and a political party has two domains they operate in: policy and governance. Policy is where a politician stands on issues, and typically where almost all of the campaigning happens. Where does this politician stand on healthcare, gun control, environment, etc.
But governance is as important, both for the individual and for the political party. For the politician: can they build consensus? Can they prevent alienating their constituents. Can they set goals that are big, but achievable. And for the political party, governance is how well they develop their members. Identifying who fits best in each elected position. How to help members gain experience for other offices. How to identify up-and-coming politicians.
The GOP is currently experiencing a failure of governance. The HOR is unable to operate because the GOP can’t effectively govern. And time is ticking on one of the core HOR duties: approving the budget. The GOP is not getting high quality people into the correct positions, and has too many obstinate people in place to govern.
jim jordan: this is the worst day of my life
kevin mccarthy: the worst day of your life so far
Johnson, one of the most conservative options imaginable, won probably because Republicans were sick of the chaos.
They are currently in the fuck around phase, and when it comes time to do the budget, will find out. Johnson will either trigger a shutdown and get all the blame onto the Republicans by refusing to compromise (and further prove the crazies have taken over the party) or he’ll get a deal with Democrats and then Gaetz will yeet him again.
I give it until… Dec 1. Until speaker elections begin again.
The dude was an insurrectionist, could he affect the next election?
Honestly, it might be presumptive to think he’ll last that far ahead.
Personally I prefer this to just two united parties, that’s how stuff like the PATRIOT Act got enacted. It also leads to compromises being bipartisan rather than non-partisan. There is a preferable way the parties could be divided, but this is better than nothing.
I am thinking new years.
Then we’ve got a bet!
12/1 is also the deadline for motions in the Trump Georgia case. We might get a trial date then.
He already lost again.
Let’s not forget yesterday’s monumental achievement.
Looks like he gained 3 votes (including someone who wasn’t present yesterday), and lost 4, so he ended up at 199.
(John Boehner got a vote, lol)
As if Boehner isn’t blasting bongloads of dank bud in his shed right now.
He ain’t got time for this bullcocky.
At this point I’m just hanging out to see if he bleeds more votes which I think he will
AND HE DID! WHAT AN ACCOMPLISHMENT FROM THE ASSHOLE FROM OHIO!
This makes me feel warm inside
Someone fill me in. I don’t know shit about this guy.
I’m watching the vote live, and the in-video chat are all saying the guy is an election denier, full blown MAGA, and would promote a government shutdown. If this is the case, MAGA wins and will be emboldened to pull this shit again and again, knowing that they’ll get their way in the end because the moderates of the party will eventually cave.
Good luck getting any kind of debt ceiling bill passed. This guy isn’t gonna cut a backroom deal to get a bill passed knowing full well that they’ll just hold another motion to vacate the minute they even sniff him trying.
EDIT: Yup, full blown MAGA. Swallows the Trump mushroom dick right down to the balls. MAGA wins. They have officially taken over the GOP.
Not just a Trumper, but part of Trump’s legal team during the impeachment and tried to help overthrow the 2020 election:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/25/who-is-mike-johnson-republican-2020-election
This is what the country gets for giving the Republicans more seats in the mid terms. Congrats, you played yourselves.
There will be one. They need to pass aid for Israel, Ukraine, and fund border security. The donors demand it. After that? Good luck
Border security? Yeah. Israel? Probably. Ukraine? I’m not so sure.
Biden wants all the aid in one package. The GOP want to split it up so they can vote on border security and Israel and ignore Ukraine.
And then there are other holdouts who just want deep cuts everywhere and are willing to watch the world burn to get it. If these morons have all consolidated around this guy, that means he promised them something. And if it’s MAGA that’s asking for it, you know it’s not going to be good. These people just learned that if they hold out long enough, they’ll eventually get their way. You think after that they’re going to be willing to negotiate on anything? No, they’re going to make their demands, and will force a government shutdown until they get their way. Again.
There already is a bipartisan bill made in the senate. It covers all the bases and would be political suicide to not pass it.
Have you not been paying attention lately?
RepubliQan Suicide Squad! Attack!
