Seriously how are they wrapping their heads around that the racist hegemon wants to wipe both Palestine and Russia off the earth, and is funding their enemies in both cases?? Do they think the US doesn’t know where their interests lie?
US: Allied to Israel and Ukraine. Gives them billions in weaponry. Consistently votes against Palestinian statehood. Funds the murder of countless Palestinians.
Russia: Consistently votes in favor of Palestinian statehood. The USSR even fought a short war against Israel in the 1960s.
I was talking with two friends yesterday. Apparently they always supported Palestinians, but once they saw Hamas soldiers screaming Allah Ackbar and kidnapping civilian women, they are of the opinion that they’re not better than Israelis. “It’s just two Nazi Germanies fighting against eachother.” Was a banger I heard during that discussion. Another banger: “You don’t see Ukranians murder and kidnap civilians, do you? They are respectful of POW.”
I tried my best arguing; to no avail. Whatever I said, I was countered with smth like, “well i support them too, but this kind of force is totally unjustified”. So in short I failed the argument.
“You don’t see Ukranians murder and kidnap civilians, do you? They are respectful of POW.”
Like fuck they are. Even if we use only the Ukrainian sources, they routinely report Russian KIA:POW ratio as being way, sometimes even multiple times, higher than even during the most brutal fightings in the history of humanity.
Meaning they, by their own admission, either kill or do not take prisoners.
Thanks for this; I shall use this knowledge next time I speak to them. Tho honestly I think my energy is better spent elsewhere.
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Whenever anyone does this, I like to use the metaphor of an older woman defending herself from a purse-snatcher. “Is their violence the same?”
It’s very morally satisfying for ppl from colonizer countries to equate the violence of self defense, with that of colonizers… and euroamerikkka (and Isn’treal by proxy) is the greatest purse-snatcher in history.
Counterpoint, there is no such thing as civilian Israelis. They are all criminal settlers occupying stolen land and condoning genocide against the people they have stolen from.
Well, I kinda get your point… Though in all honesty I couldn’t blame children for being born there. I’d argue there are civilians.
I’m supportive of Hamas’ and Palestine’s fight for liberation though, just to clarify.
To quote other commenters in another thread.
What does it mean to be a “civilian” when the violence against Palestine is settler-colonial ethnic cleansing?
I do not advocate for the actual assault of children, but the “civilians” in the settlements are the perpetrators of decades long genocide. People who not only do not care that countless Palestinians, children included, have been murdered, but actually support it. It is not a meaningful distinction in this type of conflict.
They put themselves there because they are ideologically committed to ethnically cleansing the land of Palestinians and taking it for themselves. They are thieves and murderers and actions against them by Palestinian forces is self defence.
I agree, what Palestine and Hamas are currently doing are the only actions left to them by their oppressors. After so many atrocities committed by Israel and so much hatred and violence against them, the Palestinians literally are fighting for survival. Thus, I couldn’t, in good conscience, tell them to ‘dial down their violence’ or whatever it is shitlibs want from them.
And thanks for ur comment. Imma think abt meaningful distinctions.
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I rely don’t believe they’re putting any deep thought into it. They just root for who they’re told too.
If they put deep thought into anything then they wouldn’t be libs in the first place.
specifically a 3rd-world lib i saw with the status “save palestine and ukraine from israel and russia”
American propaganda is global and will take generations to undo
The first step is stopping it before undoing it. Good luck
A lot of them really really want to be “one of the good ones”
they said that “palestine should be free but not a rayzheem like da ebil dee pee arr kay”
they also had a video thumbnail that said “i wish the ccp never existed”Is this a person or a bad take machine? They really must be the perfect human being if their standards are this high.
Zelensky/Ukraine is endorsing Israel…what’s their mental gymnastics going to be there?
i don’t know, i’ve distanced myself from him and his stooges ever since they decided to bring up CPC-related drama from TWO WHOLE YEARS ago in my own server in order to dogpile on me
So messed up.
This post is attracting a lot of downvotes; it’s a shame none of the downvoters have commented
Cowards.
Global capitalist chessboard. All ethics are an afterthought. ‘the ideas of the ruling elite’ etc… libs support what they are told to support. Politics are complicated who has time to investigate historical context?
We are in an information war. That’s what it boils down to
Maybe it’s as simple as this: they have an underdog / martyrdom fetish.
Palestinians getting murdered en masse: “thoughts and prayers!”
Palestine fighting back: “Stop using violence!!”
It’s just a trick. When libs have a take, just pat them on the head and be like “that’s a good lib, yes Palestinian is good” and just move on. They don’t support Palestinians, are they willing to support them with more than a tweet? Nope,
There are very significant parallels, but Ukraine is Israel and Donbas is Palestine.
Most interesting to me in all these conflicts is that the same people who claim and know their local media is corrupted and lying about local issues (that they themselves know about), think that same media is telling the truth about some far away country.
Crazy.
If they claim Fox is always lying, than they should turn on Fox news and believe that everything Fox says is a lye.
Kinda like this one.
If this lead to liberals ending support for Israel then that’d be one thing, but it won’t. They’ll thoughtlessly compare the situations and then draw essentially zero conclusions.
It would be less disgusting if they did actually be consistent in their equation. In my experience the sort of people who equated Ukraine and Palestine when they wanted people to support Ukraine are now crying about “violence”, “disruption of peace” and “terrorists” when Palestinians decide to punch back a little.
Ukraine talks about territorial integrity and say that this is their land and the Russian-speaking majority should leave but …
Recognizes Ichkeria (Chechnya, where no one is fighting for it lol) from Russia on the basis of “self-determination” at the expense of Russia’s territorial integrity
Tend to support Kosovar “self-determination” against Serbia against their territorial sovereignty
Supports settlement of Palestinian land (recognized by 138 countries, 7 billion people)
Support Yaroslav Hunka who fought with the nazis for “self-determination” against Soviet territorial sovereignty
And then they support “Israeli territorial sovereignty” just like they support their own as the Slavic Israel.
I haven’t seen people comparing Palestine to Ukraine, but I have certainly seen people saying that the recent offensive against Israel is somehow all planned by Moscow…
In a way it might be useful as those same libs might call for (military) aid to Palestina but since our governments are on the side of Israel, the thin veil of bullshit might break
It’s actually become worse than this in the last 24 hours. Now they seem to equate Ukraine and Isreal as victims, and call Palestine the aggressor. Have seen some liberals disgustingly accuse Palestine of being the genociders. They throw out history in one breath and rewrite it in the next.
Correct the Record and the Israel bot campaigns are out in force.
but equating with ukraine wouldn’t mean that they are in palestine side? and accepting that palestineans are fighting against a big bad genocidal regime?
