Seriously how are they wrapping their heads around that the racist hegemon wants to wipe both Palestine and Russia off the earth, and is funding their enemies in both cases?? Do they think the US doesn’t know where their interests lie?

US: Allied to Israel and Ukraine. Gives them billions in weaponry. Consistently votes against Palestinian statehood. Funds the murder of countless Palestinians.

Russia: Consistently votes in favor of Palestinian statehood. The USSR even fought a short war against Israel in the 1960s.

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    I was talking with two friends yesterday. Apparently they always supported Palestinians, but once they saw Hamas soldiers screaming Allah Ackbar and kidnapping civilian women, they are of the opinion that they’re not better than Israelis. “It’s just two Nazi Germanies fighting against eachother.” Was a banger I heard during that discussion. Another banger: “You don’t see Ukranians murder and kidnap civilians, do you? They are respectful of POW.”

    I tried my best arguing; to no avail. Whatever I said, I was countered with smth like, “well i support them too, but this kind of force is totally unjustified”. So in short I failed the argument.

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      “You don’t see Ukranians murder and kidnap civilians, do you? They are respectful of POW.”

      Like fuck they are. Even if we use only the Ukrainian sources, they routinely report Russian KIA:POW ratio as being way, sometimes even multiple times, higher than even during the most brutal fightings in the history of humanity.

      Meaning they, by their own admission, either kill or do not take prisoners.

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        Thanks for this; I shall use this knowledge next time I speak to them. Tho honestly I think my energy is better spent elsewhere.

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      Whenever anyone does this, I like to use the metaphor of an older woman defending herself from a purse-snatcher. “Is their violence the same?”

      It’s very morally satisfying for ppl from colonizer countries to equate the violence of self defense, with that of colonizers… and euroamerikkka (and Isn’treal by proxy) is the greatest purse-snatcher in history.

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      Counterpoint, there is no such thing as civilian Israelis. They are all criminal settlers occupying stolen land and condoning genocide against the people they have stolen from.

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        Well, I kinda get your point… Though in all honesty I couldn’t blame children for being born there. I’d argue there are civilians.

        I’m supportive of Hamas’ and Palestine’s fight for liberation though, just to clarify.

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          To quote other commenters in another thread.

          What does it mean to be a “civilian” when the violence against Palestine is settler-colonial ethnic cleansing?

          I do not advocate for the actual assault of children, but the “civilians” in the settlements are the perpetrators of decades long genocide. People who not only do not care that countless Palestinians, children included, have been murdered, but actually support it. It is not a meaningful distinction in this type of conflict.

          They put themselves there because they are ideologically committed to ethnically cleansing the land of Palestinians and taking it for themselves. They are thieves and murderers and actions against them by Palestinian forces is self defence.

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            I agree, what Palestine and Hamas are currently doing are the only actions left to them by their oppressors. After so many atrocities committed by Israel and so much hatred and violence against them, the Palestinians literally are fighting for survival. Thus, I couldn’t, in good conscience, tell them to ‘dial down their violence’ or whatever it is shitlibs want from them.

            And thanks for ur comment. Imma think abt meaningful distinctions.