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      But ask a a lib and they’ll tell you at length about how “USSR was erasing Ukrainian culture and had a policy of Russification”

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        In hindsight it the policy of Ukrainization was probably a mistake. The other коренизация policies were fine but this one ended up doing more harm than good. Still, they could not have known this at the time.

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          What about the Baltics? Caucasus republics? Central Asia? Even in hindsight it’s hard to say for sure

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            Overall i think korenizatsia there was more justified as they dealt with clearly distinct nations whereas Ukraine was always a grey zone in this regard. It also seems to have been handled better in those cases, but i’m not an expert on this topic. I could be totally wrong, i’m eager to learn more if you have any insights.

            I’ll just say we have the benefit of hindsight, and if they knew how things would eventually turn out i think the Bolsheviks probably would have opted for an approach more similar to China’s policy toward ethnic minorities. However, China is a unitary state and the USSR was a union of republics, very different systems and that fact alone restricts you in the kind of approach that you can take to such issues.

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    When I first got into DemSoc stuff, I talked to a few Patsocs online, even knew one in person. It was always good talking about Unions and large corporations and stuff, Capatalism 101 basically, and they were even cool with anti-war stuff, but if you prod a little further there’s not much more substance, a lot of wishy-washy opinions on trans people or Black Liberation stuff. To be clear, they were rarely (except a few online) against these groups outright, but usually they would be like “comms should focus on what’s more important before focusing on social issues.” Which WOULD make sense if the social issues currently existing were just “what’s your favorite food?” “What’s your preferred method of pronouncing the word Carribean?” It’s “should women be allowed bodily autonomy?” “Should White Supremacy be allowed in Police Forces?” “Should Trans people be allowed to EXIST?” Like if you don’t care about these issues, then you aren’t really a communist, you’re just pissed at your boss

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      The quote is from Marxism and the National Question, the very work the patsocs misuse to justify their characterization of some oppressed nations as legitimate.