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    7 days ago

    So long as only victims are insurance companies and Tesla, I am okay with it. To be fair, they kinda deserve it.

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      Well, no, it’s all of us, because of how insurance works. Payouts go up, premiums go up. As long as the number of destroyed Teslas is a drop in the ocean we won’t notice, but lots of companies love a good excuse to put prices up and this is just handing them a gold plated excuse on a silver platter.

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        Well, they’d put the premiums up on tesla owners as the cars now carry increased risk.

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          I honesty don’t think vandalism is covered under a lot of insurance policies.

          Also I have yet to see a vandalized Tesla. It would be pretty silly for you to go vandalize a car as that’s not something you want on your criminal record.

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          Yes of course that’d be their primary source. But if that doesn’t cover all the payouts then it’ll lead to a general increase in insurance premiums for everyone.

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            At least I’d be getting charged more for a real thing and not the normal made up reasons behind price hikes.

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        Just a reminder that insurance is a scam. You are compelled to pay for it under penalty of law in the case of car insurance, and the insurance companies do everything possible to maximize their profits, being for profit companies. What this means in general is that people pay more into insurance than they ever get out. If they didn’t the insurance companies wouldn’t make a profit. The money you pay isn’t going into some huge fund that supports everyone who pays for it. If it doesn’t go to paying out claims now it goes straight to the insurance executives, or investors, or to “lobbying” politicians to keep the racket going. The day you stop paying out you get fucking nothing. All that money is just gone, for the pleasure of maybe having your claim paid out if your insurance company can’t weasel their way out of paying. Insurance is a scam, a bunch of penny pinching middlemen draining the world of human productivity and effort for their own benefit and nothing else. Any benefit a particular individual happens to get is a loss to be minimized to them.

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          Insurance is very much needed. If there weren’t that many reckless drivers then insurance would be cheaper.

          I wish we had the same thing as in Singapore. Their cars literally cannot go over the speed limit.

          But yes, when insurance is basically required to have, then it’s good to start having government participation in it. The government needs to be the majority stakeholder, as it also provides all of the customers.

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          It would be a scam if you couldn’t choose the company. However, you have plenty of options. Insurance also encourages better driving since things like tickets can cause price increases. There are some privacy concerns with insurance but that is a separate issue.

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          Oh and the whole concept of an excess. So I have to pay to have my car insured but if the damage to my car is less than a certain amount I have to pay for it? What’s the point of the insurance then.

          My car is probably worth less than the excess anyway so if it was a total write-off I’d get a maybe five hundred for it, and that’s it

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          being for profit companies

          I think the approach in Australia is a bit better - bodily injury coverage is provided by the state and is part of the registration fee for the car.

          It’s not perfect and only covers injuries to people, and does not cover repairing cars (you need to get separate insurance from an insurer for that) but it’s a good first step I guess. It means that as long as your car is registered, medical costs for both you and anyone you hit are covered.

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            I’m also Australian and what this person is saying is true

            I beleive its called “CTP” or “compulsory third party insurance” if I recall correctly

            You can get additional optional car insurance in Australia as well

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              Yeah, CTP. I never drove or owned a car in Australia so I’m glad I got it right haha. I lived in Melbourne and used public transport all my life. I didn’t learn to drive until I moved to the USA.

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        I scares me the number of people willing to commit insurance fraud. I’ve had friends who would do things like park there car in a hail storm.

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      Insurance companies are never the only victim. They just pass the pain forward.

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      Committing insurance fraud is honestly pretty questionable from a ethics perspective. You are cheating the game at the cost of everyone else. Why are people ok with this now in 2025? In the last few decades it as become socially acceptable to cheat the system for your own gain.

      I fully support the arrest and prosecution of those who commit insurance fraud. Same goes for companies who cheat there workers out of pay.

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        Would you/do you support what happened during the Boston tea party? I think we all like law and order, but under the current regime, justices are being found dead from mysterious causes. It’s hard to say it’s the same system of law we’re used to.

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            Recently, actually. They have no idealogical allies, no plan, no nothing. They’re not a voting block anyone cares about, nor do they have any actual positions to argue. I do not take their opinions seriously.

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              They definitely do have positions and beliefs. I am not sure how much you actually understand anarchism. Anarchist “nations” have even been established before, but they tend to get invaded sooner or later. While they do sometimes ally with Marxists you would be correct in thinking they have few permanent allies. Hence the getting invaded part I guess.

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                I’m willing to admit that I don’t know a lot about anarchism. I’ve tried to learn more when I have the opportunity to talk to someone about it, but I never get anything insightful.

                I’d love to know more about how an anarchist society could work.

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                  Honestly your asking the wrong person here. I would suggest maybe starting with Krapotkin or Bakunin who were some of the early anarchists. That or just looking up anarchist philosophy and history. Anarchists have a history fighting against both fascism and some marxist tendencies like the Bolsheviks.

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    6 days ago

    You just know a dealership is going to get caught setting it’s own Teslas on fire. That is going to be the free space on many 2025 Bingo cards.

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      It’s actually just a convenient software update.

      Download the update, start the engine, and run away

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    This is the only good use of a Tesla now, IMO. Get it fully insured, then go park it in a dark alley near a popular area. It’ll get torched before too long. No fraud involved with setting your own car on fire…

    Then use the money to buy something that’s not made by a Nazi.

    • Teslas are jampacked with cameras.

      Which will show a masked figure of weirdly indeterminate height (possible wearing hidden plateau shoes) setting fire to it in the middle of the night, how curious 🤔

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      I wonder what fire does to the SD card on which the camera footage is stored?

      (Its only uploaded to tesla servers when the car is connected to the internet)

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        Are you able to disconnect a Tesla from the Internet? You could forget your Wi-Fi network, but basically every car made after 2015 has an LTE modem

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          be a shame if it caught fire while you were camping in a remote location with no cell service

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            These gosh darn libs came out of the woods wearing masks and carrying molotovs and afterwards they gave me lentil beans and rice and a rainbow flag it was miserable

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          My parents have brought a new car and the internet connection thing is super unreliable. It’ll say it’s in a dead zone when it’s just parked in the driveway and I have full signal bars on my phone.

          Sometimes claims not to have a signal when it’s in the local supermarket car park and the supermarket car park literally has a cell tower in it.

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    Hyundai EVs really are good. They made absolutely terrible gas cars but chose the transition to EVs to make new company out of themselves and they did an absolutly incredible job. They make some of the best EVs in the market.

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      As an owner of both, my 2020 Ioniq BEV easily feels better than my previous civic, and my Subaru (though I’d want the suby for anything challenging terrain-related). Best car I’ve owned.

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        So here’s my issue with Hyundai. I LOVED them, bought 2 Tucsons so far and love so much about them. HOWEVER, there was some oil-related recall that, long-story short, killed my engine while I was driving on a highway. My car was at 99,000 miles at the time this happened, and it was before they actually issued the recall. I had to spend about $8k replacing the engine and paying for a rental. A few months later they issues the recall and I submitted all of my paperwork. They ignored me. I submitted again, they ignored me again. I called a few times, and tried submitting again, and somehow their website broke and stopped letting me submit my paperwork, and they refused to let me send it in any other way.

        It was under warranty. I almost died. And it cost me a lot of money. But they fucked around playing games to avoid paying me.

        So fuck Hyundai. I’ll never buy another. When this one finally dies, I’ll probably go with a Honda CR-V, or a Nissan Murano.

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    I’ve heard insurance companies in the Un-united Dystopia of america have stopped insuring them

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    Man a shitty lining to this cloud is the kids that had to mine the lithium for the batteries into useless cars.

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      I think you’re thinking of Cobalt? Lithium mainly is mined in big industrial facilities in Australia and Chile. Not like cobalt wich was in the news for being mined by hand, including with children.

      However “new” Lithium Iron Phosphate (LFP) batteries go without cobalt and other rare earth materials (not actually rare btw). Most electric cars use these batteries nowadays including many Teslas.

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      It’s a step in the right direction. It won’t stop the countries we exploit from being exploited. But if Tesla goes bankrupt it is one less large company exploiting the global south. And arguably the worst when it comes to Cobalt.

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    I have owned only three brands of cars with a total of four different engines. And next to my Toyotas, my one Hyundai was incredibly reliable. Made it to 300k before I gave it away to my cousin. And the only time it ever left my in a jam was a Walmart parking lot when the starter burnt out. I walked across the street, bought a new one, and with the help of a YouTube video & $10 worth of tools from that very Walmart, shit was done. I highly recommend an old sonata to any one hard up, and in need for something reliable. Mine actually had heated seats! Easily the best $700 I’ve ever spent! I could rant about that car for ever.

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    In Brazil we call this jeitinho brasileiro (brazillian way*)… but this seems so american in my pov *means that you should take advantage in everything

  • “Sir/madam, (sadam) your conviction slowly steeling and your hands steadying themselves before you finally threw the bottle was heartening, but why did you come directly out of your own house to do it? Claim rejected.”

    Eventually one of you’s is gonna try it, but forget a detail or two.

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    What a weird wet dream. Teslas are stacked with cameras, they’d never get away with it.

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      Yeah that’s why they’ve caught every single person that’s set fire to a Tesla. /s

      Do people think Teslas are equipped with cameras that can see through masks?

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          Google says 3 people from the same incident. I can’t find any other cases of people being caught. It also had nothing to do with the Tesla cameras.

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            4 Federal charges so far, 3 from one incident, one from another, along with at least one man arrested on-scene for keying a Tesla. Others who are keying Teslas are all caught on video, so we’ll probably see more arrests in the future.

            Edit: Another arrest in New Hampshire!

            Edit2: man in Texas was just arrested.