The atmosphere is nearly perfect for an EU resurgence. American workers potentially willing to leave is only one piece of it. You also have interest in drawing together as a continent against a new shared enemy. Hell even Germany is ready to drop their spending limitations to actually try to rise to the occasion.
I really wish they’d take it a step further and pump heavy investment into the region - and not just defense. Isn’t it exactly the right time to build European industries to replace the American ones they are no longer sure they can trust?
side note: Brain drain from an adversary is one of the reasons why the US completed the Manhattan Project faster. History repeating itself. Maybe this time around the fusion project is completed faster with the intention of long term peace without the need for deterrence.
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it just wasn’t big enough for texas…
First you gotta pitch that as a startup, why should I invest in this brain drain long term peace?
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Can some of y’all flee to Canada instead?
We have French Canada if your dead set on speaking French.
I’d love to move to Canada. How can I find a job there?
The affordable housing is the more pressing problem.
how much worse is it than major metros in the empire?
Aw shiz, now when it turns out US scientists don’t know sciency stuff because hustle culture
I’m looking forward to hearing all the people that say raising taxes would lead to all the talented people leaving the country addressing this.*
Realistically I understand that they’re all talentless lying bastard failsons that just wanted to make more passive income from their family’s wealth and no journalist will ever challenge them on it.
It will take me sometime to save enough money, but once I do I am fleeing as well.
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I suddenly like a lot of things about France.
I have a vps with OVH which is French, and pretty great.
I’ll 100% sign up with eutel (?) satellite internet if it’s ever available here.
I’ve also been using mistral l, a French LLM, to draft some documents lately.
I’ll 100% sign up with eutel (?) satellite internet if it’s ever available here.
I’m just wondering, why? Do you not have any decent broadband options available?
Fiber’s still going to be better than satellite, but obviously if you can’t get fiber, satellite is probably better than aging copper.
Yeah, at home we do have fiber.
I’d like it for my camper trailer. Something like an RV.
Here in Western Australia we have reasonably good 5G mobile coverage in cities and towns, but it’s patchy outside of those areas.
Having satellite internet really opens up a whole lot of cool places you can set up to camp.
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Good for us. Very very good for us.
We deserve this.
The low prospects of jobs for undergrad who don’t have enough experience for grad schools also turns people completely away from being a scientists to, unless you have research published or significant experience in lab work prior to graduating you won’t get far, it’s also harder to get into them health, like
40…is not a lot
That’s at a single university.
Which is the only one that the article mentioned as offering. Blame the article if you think the numbers are bigger and they didn’t bother mentioning.
You don’t get my meaning. I’m saying, a single university established this policy, and is getting these results. It’s a pilot project that proves the viability of the strategy, and sets an example that can be followed by many many others.
Barely anyone is actually a researcher at an university. Science is a pyramid scheme in a sense and everyone cut away to form the top is someone selling their soul to the industry as an engineer. Hence actual numbers are small in every field of research.
This is the new flavor of lazy journalism. How many headlines do you see like “Senator X SLAMS so and so in a FURIOUS conversation” and then you click through and there’s some mundane talk in congress. Or, “So and so has a MELTDOWN live in front of blah blah” and same thing. This article takes something that is probably not good (scientists leaving the US), picks a single example and then makes a case that this is generalized.
The way this makes me feel is that if I go to the ice cream stand and watch a child accidentally drop their ice cream, then go home and pen “ICE CREAMS being DROPPED all over the US! Can this happen to you?”
Basically, instead of real journalism we get clickbait. The linked article isn’t the worst example of this, however, it’s a trend that has frustrated me to no end.
Take me with you, I’m neither an average fighter nor a brilliant scientist, but you can’t live a trans-sister to die in this wasteland of burgers and guns!
I’ve been saying it since 2016: the EU should start granting political asylum to people from the US.
edit: I did say political
I think we don’t want open entrance policies in place that would make it easier for MAGAs to come over. Best to have some kind of requirement which filters out the MAGAs as much as possible, say minimum education level to get a work or digital nomad visa or only people from “at risk groups” such as Transexuals qualifying for asylum.
Were I am now, Portugal, there’s pretty open immigration policy for Brazil with no actual minimum requirements and the result is that we imported a ton of far right muppets from there, to the point that in the last Brazilian Presidential election the proportion of voters for Bolsonaro in Portugal (as Brasilians can vote from abroad) was a lot larger than in Brasil - since Brasilians resident in Portugal can get Portuguese nationality after 5 years, this also help fuel the rise of the Far Right locally.
Having some kind of reasonably easy and fair system to filter out the Fascist assholes would be much better.
I moved from the U.S. to Germany in 2020.
My running joke since was wondering whether I’d be eligible for citizenship or asylum first….
Almost over the finish line for being eligible for citizenship, but I feel like asylum isn’t that far off.
You don’t need asylum if you are a legal resident. Asylum is the most insecure form of permit, especially in Germany, where the society is currently getting more and more hostile to migration, including labeling countries like Afghanistan as “safe countries of origin” and organizing deportations with the Taliban.
Hence the “joke” part….
Reverse the brain drain of the 1930s.
and 1940s
Sure, 1930s…
omg then the EU as we know it wont exist for long if such policies were to be implemented.
because it would be full of people?
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Are you saying “they’re not sending their best”?
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You could move to East Asia or to Israel yourself. That is, if you’re intelligent enough.
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I’m doing my part fleeing to Sweden, granted I’m a programmer and game dev so not a scientist. I’m done letting the US profit off my skills though
Remember that your last place of residence in the US determines your voting residence while living abroad. If possible, move to a swing state (preferably with low population, and preferably in a swing district for local elections, too) long enough to establish residency before moving abroad. Plan ahead now and maximize the impact of your vote in the long run. Also register as a republican so you can vote in republican primaries (to vote for anyone who isn’t Trump), as well as making gerrymandering harder.
Don’t forget to get rid of your US citizenship or they’ll still profit off your work.
i thought it was just that if the country you’re in taxed you less than what the US would, then you have to pay the difference to the IRS?
… and there’s no way in hell the US taxes less than sweden (and for anyone that hasn’t had an ice pick lobotomy that’s a good thing)
*edit: foreign tax credit
That’s correct. You’d have to be earning way, WAY over the average Swedish salary before you start owing the IRS anything. That said, I wouldn’t put it past Trump to remove the foreign earned income exclusion to coerce people into moving back to the US as part of the ”trade war” nonsense.
wow yeah i hadn’t considered that
fucking ew
How so?
You will like it, Sweden has a nice relaxed working culture where we actually care about how people feel at work.
Did you just job hunt over there and get a work visa?
I’ve got enough tech experience I probably could have. I’m going back to school though out of savings and going to get on a student visa
Where you going to? I’m a data engineer living in Malmö. I can help you get settled if you’re in Skåne
Depending where I may get accepted, I’m likely to end up in Umeå, Boden, or Skellefteå. So just a bit further north than Malmö 😅 I appreciate the offer though
Oh that’s nice; far up north. Hope you’ll enjoy it up there! All the best and awesome you’re choosing to come here!
Interesting. How easy is it to stay over there if you go to school? Are the student visas hard to get?
I have to line up a job before I graduate because I don’t qualify for like a “just graduated give me some time to settle” visa, so that may be difficult. I don’t really know if the student visa is hard to get. I need to be accepted to school first then I can use that to make my visa application, so the timing is going to be pretty rushed. I’m going to have to set up moving and living, basically be in standstill for a bit waiting to see if I can pull the trigger, then hope the visa clears
As long as you get accepted into the school, and as long as you meet the basic requirements like having enough money to support yourself and stuff there generally shouldn’t be a problem getting the visa approved. But the processing time is a killer. I’ve seen Migrationsverket take so long to process the visas that several students had to start their masters program a couple months late. The university did allow them to start late, but they really really struggled getting caught up and quite frankly the school shouldn’t have allowed it because there was really no chance of them succeeding in the program because of it (this was prior to Covid and there was no remote option for any of the coursework). Those students were really screwed over and would have been better off deferring enrollment until the next year. But the department was desperately lacking funding and needed to get as many people enrolled as possible. So they were maybe a bit dishonest about how much of a challenge it would be to get caught up.
Anyways, submit the visa application as early as you possibly can and hope the Migrationsverket processes the application quickly. Otherwise you’re at the mercy of your school and whether they’ll be willing to let you start late. Im assuming post-Covid you’d be able to attend classes remotely, so at least you wouldn’t have the issue of falling too far behind and flunking out…
Welcome home to the capital country of gaming!
Thank you! I’m so excited to make my way. Just hoping the US holds out long enough for me to make the move I’m definitely a bit scared with how fast it’s all happening here
I’m in the process of getting certified to be a nurse in New Zealand. Fuck this country.
I assume you’re taking a big hit salary-wise (a trade-off I would make, for the record).
Well I’m going back to school there first to get an actual degree. After that though yeah I’m expecting to make around 1/3 what I am currently, between switching countries and going from automation engineering to level design. I think it’ll be a worthwhile trade-off too
If you take into account all the things you don’t have to pay, that salary is not that low
Out of interest, since moving continents is no small matter in my opinion; what makes that, and making a third in terms of salary vs the US, a worthwhile trade-off?
Lots of reasons over the years but the most immediately pressing is I’m trans so if the US starts black bagging people I’m high up there on the list
Ah gotcha yeah that makes a lot of sense! I hope that kind of bigotry dies out again soon but doesn’t look like its slowing down. I hope you can feel safe and be more like your true self now.
Unfortunately I don’t think it is going to die out, I think it will need to be rooted out at the cost of lives. The feeling safe part is important but I’ve been living my true self a while now. I make an active effort to not pass too well so that other trans people who feel they can’t show themselves can see me and know there are others around. That was important for me early on so I want to provide that. Has led to some less than stellar interactions though even in Seattle…
Certain stuff, and especially rent, is a lot cheaper in Europe, though.
It was a pretty big shock for us when so many of the Ukrainian refugees that arrived during recent years came in SUVs, and they looked quite new, too. But in Ukraine, one of Europe’s poorest countries by far, cars cost a lot less, too.
