• BOFH@feddit.uk
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      3 days ago

      The reärmament drive is scary, we need to see more popular pushback against this.

      It might be scary, but not rearming may be scarier. If we’ve seen anything in recent history, it’s that two large countries run by leaders who are bullies care little for what you or I or anyone else wants.

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        4 days ago

        Thanks for quoting one of the most brutal and violent empires known for oppression and slavery on how to achieve peace.

        • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyz
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          The thought actually comes from Plato, the Latin is incidental because most people who could write in Europe in the past few millennia did so in Latin so most old adages survived in Latin.

          That said, do you have an argument against the substance of what I said other than the language?

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            3 days ago

            Any time Europeans and Americans got a lot of weapons to “defend themselves” they suddenly found a great place in the Middle-East to defend themselves onto a few years later

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              So does Russia and China. Yeah, it would be a nicer world if we all wouldn’t start wars and stuff, but as you can see in the Russian invasion of Ukraine, that is not the case. Europe is currently militarily threatened by the US and Russia, so we either capitulate or do something about it.

              By your logic though, Russia should disarm, and the only countries that could be trusted with weapons in the region are Ukraine, Poland and the Baltics, as IIRC they never had significant colonies, right? Zelensky had a proposal for Ukrainian peacekeepers across Europe, would you support that together with a demilitarized Russia?

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                Russia slightly but moreso in Africa. China does not so far. Ukraine is a poor example as Ukraine tried to join NATO against the promises NATO made with Russia.

                Russia will not attack the EU as the EU has nukes. The only use for giant armies these days is to do imperialism with. China was cutting down on their army until the US went on a rampage again.

                Zelensky had a proposal for Ukrainian peacekeepers across Europe, would you support that together with a demilitarized Russia?

                Sure as long as they only send foot soldiers and don’t do stupid stuff like placing missile launchers on Russia’s border. And they won’t rob Ukraine of their minerals in exchange.

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                  Russia slightly but moreso in Africa.

                  Syria had Russian troops deployed, in the Middle East.

                  China does not so far.

                  They own 78 ports in Africa over 32 African ports.

                  Ukraine is a poor example as Ukraine tried to join NATO against the promises NATO made with Russia.

                  Ukraine asked for NATO after the Russian invasion, not before. All they wanted was EU trade agreements.

                  Russia will not attack the EU as the EU has nukes.

                  Russia is currently conducting a blatant and overt misinformation campaign aimed at toppling democrating governments all over the EU.

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                  Ukraine is a poor example as Ukraine tried to join NATO against the promises NATO made with Russia.

                  Fuck off. No they didn’t, you piece of fascist shit.

                  Russia invaded, and then they said “We didn’t try to join NATO because we promised not to, and Russia would leave us alone. Russia didn’t keep up their end of the bargain.”

                  Don’t rewrite history.

            • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyz
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              I don’t even get the point, there was no point in time of the history of Europe when its nations were not one of the major military powers of the world. So when was this beforetime when the “nations of Europe did not bear arms”? In the age of the Sumerian Empire?

              Also, why don’t I see the original reply in the thread? I know my instance is defed’ed from grad and hexbear, but this was someone from ml, right?

              It’s weird.

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                People have armed themselves throughout history, even if just to protect themselves from non-human predators.

                As far as not seeing the original reply, I don’t know enough about how it all works. I just know I like it here better than the r-place.

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                  People have armed themselves throughout history, even if just to protect themselves from non-human predators.

                  It doesn’t folow from this that we should give right-wing imperial governments a trillion euro from social programs to go fight Arabs and Africans.

                  You’ve got to analyse each situation. You can’t say, “There has been inequality throughout history, therefore we should cut taxes for the rich”. You can’t say, “There has been weapons throughout history, therefore we should cut social spending to give the UK a new aircraft carrier”

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            Ok, I’ve checked it and wondering what your correction is?

            I am sure I got all the endings correct, noun and verb.

            Wouod you have used a different verb to ‘fuit’?