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        I’m liberal, but holy shit the division from that happening would make Obama and Trump seem like warmups

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          No… Don’t you see?

          No matter how centrist or moderate democratic candidate is, the Republicans call them communist, socialist pedophiles.

          They’ve painted themselves into a corner. We could nominate a full-on Marxist flag-burner, and they would have nothing left to say about them that they didn’t already say about Obama and Biden.

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            Let’s be fair, Nancy P is about as much a back slapping old school politician as you can get, and AOC fell in line to her leadership. AOC and the squad haven’t been as left as promised

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              AOC pulls the party to the left with her rhetoric, and then lends her support to strengthen the party as a whole.

              In this political environment, when the opposition is literally a fascist cult, it’s great that she’s being a team player.

              Also when she eventually does run for president, she won’t have alienated the party.

              She has handled it perfectly.

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          I am not an American, so I have to ask: Is AOC really that radical? To me she looks like a left leaning liberal with the most radical idea being MMT. Other then that it is normal talking points of a left leaning politican.

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            any other country would view AOC and Bernie as centrist at best – but our Overton window has shifted so far right that centrist is seen as full-on revolutionary communist …

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              I honestly thought they were some European style social democrat types, but then I looked up their climate policies and turns out Macron has actually passed more radical climate laws then the two of them are even proposing. It is insane how Americans believe that two politicans would be revolutionary communist, when a former investment banker turned neoliberal politican is more radical then them.

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              Where does the idea come from Bernie would be seen as a moderate outside of the US? He openly ran as a communist when he was a mayor. His policies are far to the left to any social-democratic party in Europe.

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          You say that like the person even matters. As long as there is a D next to their name the other side will act like the world is ending. Literally.

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          I’m liberal but the first thing that comes to mind about this advancement is something negative. I would prefer a negative peace, an absence of conflict, to a positive peace. I’m a liberal.

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    she applauded the climate movement for starting to “crack the grip” which the fossil fuel industry holds on the nation’s political economy.

    “That’s because of you,” she said to those in the crowd. “Don’t let the cynics win. The cynics want us to think that this isn’t worth it. The cynics want us to believe that we can’t win. The cynics want us to believe that organizing doesn’t matter; that our political system doesn’t matter; that our economy doesn’t matter. But we’re here to say that we organize out of hope! We organize out of commitment! We organize out of love! We organize out of the beauty of our future! And we will not give up. We will not let go! We will not let cynicism to prevail!”

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    In Australia we’ve just essentially criminalised climate protesting. Climate protestors now risk a huge fine and even jail time. A lot of people suspect it’s because governments are preparing in advance for what might become a huge movement that they can’t control. So they’re trying to disincentivise people before shit hits the fan.

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      That sounds about right. Sadly for them, no manner of law is going to stop the mobs when people start going hungry.

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      I went to a climate protest in Canada last week and it was way to tame to actually get anything accomplished.

      The main part of the protest was walking down a main artery. For protesters, there is incentive to walk slowly and spread out to make the walk longer and disrupt status-quo longer, but the organizers clearly only had permission to march for a specific duration so they were in the back hurrying people forward so we’d stay within our allotted time window. Maybe 30 minutes. Once a year. It was pointless.

      Add to that that 90% of the people there were exactly the people you’d expect to be there and it just felt like a waste of time.

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    There is an exception to every rule, and one of my rules is that all politicians are money grubbing, ego-maniacs, who want nothing more than power. She might be the only exception to that rule.

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          Agree that humble beginnings stories probably make for better politicians (she’s far from the first though), but the drive to tolerate years of political bullshit is almost always a personal power quest and indoctrination into a corrupt system makes for corrupt individuals. The expectation from prior data would be for her to follow this route. I will disagree with you that she doesn’t care about power (and shit).

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    Meanwhile, here in the UK, Ministers consider rollback of green policy to try to win votes from those who really should not vote Tory.

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    I’m not sure she realises how good conservatives, and the American public, are at ignoring things.

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    She should be Americas VP, so she could take over for Brandon when he croaks. Probably the only way we’ll ever get a female president.

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    I don’t get why people support AOC, as far as I can tell after she blatantly ignored New Yorkers who are fed up with the current migrant crisis. She’s not open for debate, she’s just pushing her own agenda.

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        In attributing the forthcoming migrant crisis solely to Republicans stance on climate change, you’re oversimplifying a complex issue. While climate change is indeed a pressing concern that could exacerbate migration patterns, it’s not the only factor. My initial point was that AOC appears to be ignoring the concerns of her constituents on the current migrant issue, which is separate from future crises caused by climate change. It is crucial to address the problems of today while also preparing for those of tomorrow. To do so, our representatives should be open to debate and multiple viewpoints, not solely focused on pushing their own agendas.

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      Isn’t it strange that they keep re-electing her? Could it be that… her agenda is their agenda? That “New Yorkers who are fed up with the current migrant crisis” aren’t the majority?

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          You obviously have spoken with the majority of citizens and know their opinions? If only there was some way for citizens to choose who represents them… some way for all citizens to decide if the “agenda” of their representative conforms to their own…

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      So she ignored racists, doesn’t sound like a bad thing for her to do.

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      No tolerance for intolerance.

      EDIT:

      • No unity with fascists.
      • “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge’.” —Isaac Asimov
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      There is no magical all appeasing movement.

      The issue isn’t unity, it’s making the planet literally uninhabitable for our species (and most others).

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      Yeah, 98% of people agree most people can’t agree on anything. So good luck with that strong all unifying movement…around not having a strong unifying movement, lol.

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      AOC is calling for protests. Equating protests to terrorism puts you in the ignoble company of the Iranian government, the Saudi monarchy, and the Georgia cops who charged protesters with felonies for distributing flyers.

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      Like going to the capital to trash it because your candidate lost?

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      If we are treating this like an emergency, imagine if you were a resident of the flooding in Derna, what they would do if they saw the Exxon oil executives dining on the side of a posh cafe in their suits and tie saying the death of everyone in your neighbourhood is just business?

      I would very much advocate for beating them up.

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        At Derna, residents burned mayor’s house during protests because he fucked up (he said to stay home while he knew huge rainfalls were coming).

        seems like they know how to protest : now they are in the same boat

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      She’d be right. We should start by burning the computers of people who post dumb shit like your comment.