So Vader is an all powerful empath who can sense all kinds of shit over lightyears but he can be immediately thwarted if someone lied to him 20 years ago?
Not the take you think it is. The fact there was zero hesitation means he’s either an absolute idiot who doesn’t acknowledge personal feelings/vibes/hunches (which doesn’t match with anything we’ve ever seen from Anakin) or his powers to sense other peoples presence is greatly over exaggerated.
Oh that’s 100% what it is. People complain about the Sequel Trilogy for ‘not having a plan’ but they also seem to be purposefully ignoring the fact that nothing in Star Wars was planned. The power levels for everyone are so stupidly inconsistent that you can’t keep track. Vader is, in effect, a fucking God according to everything we’ve seen him in. With all the canon additions like Rebels, Jedi: Survivor, Kenobi, and all the comics we’re seeing him at a power level thats, forgive the meme, over 9000.
Then A New Hope starts and he’s a wet fish with no abilities at all and doesn’t know how to swing a lightsaber. Kenobi says “Strike me down and i’ll become more powerful than you can possibly imagine”. Meanwhile that apparently translates to “I’ll show up as a force ghost a couple of times and help in no way whatsoever”. Yoda is a little grumpy gremlin in the Original Trilogy but is playing War Crimes Ping Pong in the Prequels/Clone Wars while being devastatingly powerful.
The writing for Star Wars just sucks because they keep focusing on the same 15 years before A New Hope. They’ve added so much to Canon that by the time you hit the Original Trilogy everything suddenly downgrades massively. At least Star Trek stayed consistent with its prequel stuff. Enterprise added a few extras, Discovery and Strange New Worlds expanded on some, but none of them created tech so stupidly powerful that it undoes everything in Trek after that point. You could argue the Spore Drive but at least Season 2 gives a solid reason as to why it never appeared in later Trek. There’s no excuse for why Vader goes from someone who can force choke people in orbit to a dude who can’t swing a fucking lightsaber without making it look like he’s using 99% of his effort to move in that suit.
Like when Kirk et al left the galaxy but it’s going to take Voyager decades to get back from another quadrant.
We could go on about just Voyager honestly.
Stardates.
The Warp Speed Limit appears to have just been dropped.
Pretty sure Kirk also broke warp 10 before and no one turned in to a lizard.
Star Trek has plenty of inconsistency too, these are just some examples.
It sounds more like you’re unhappy someone is criticizing a thing you like. We like it too. Sometimes we do it so someone who is writing can recognize a problem and improve. Sometimes we do it because it’s fun. Like Weird Al parodying a song you like.
First off, they were a visual redesign. That’s it. It didn’t fuck with established lore or canon.
Second, if you want to talk about Klingons being inconsistent then you need to start with TOS, not the prequels. Klingons changed so drastically between TOS and the movies that Enterprise had to come up with an explanation for it.
I think a better suggestion is that she was weakened by the stun blaster. Leia hadn’t developed her force powers much at all at that point, so being in a weakened state could lead Vader to thinking nothing much of her. He would expect his child to be unusually powerful, of course.
Honestly I believe “20 years of hatred fueled by the belief that both of your children are dead clouds your perception” over “well she got stun gunned recently” lol
I don’t buy that. He’s the leader of the Inquisitors. His whole thing is dealing with people who are force sensitive and either killing them or turning them. Also, thanks to George Lucas, there’s another major sticking point. Midichlorians. Vader would have been able to sense them in her regardless of being stunned or even conscious.
Vader could likely sense that Leia had some latent Force Sensitivity, but so do a lot of people. The inquisitors only cared if they were former Jedi or Jedi in training.
He also didn’t realize Luke, whom he almost killed at the end of the movie, was his son either. At least not immediately.
Since Luke still called himself “Skywalker”, it was pretty easy for him to put 2-and-2 together after the Death Star event. He had to read Luke’s mind on the second Death Star to figure out that he even had a daughter (Anakin did not know Padme was having twins, so he never bothered to search for another child after Luke) and even then he still doesn’t know it was Leia Organa, he only refers to her as “your sister”.
Obviously the precognition that comes from being an adept user of the Force doesn’t allow you to simply pluck knowledge from thin air.
People in general are really bad at reconsidering life-defining events under a different light, impulsive people most of all, so it’s not out of character for Vader to ignore any instincts that tell him there’s a connection between him and Leia.
Yeahhhhhh see there’s your problem. You’re taking Star Wars lore too literally. Don’t you know you can’t take every little thing Star Wars adds and assume its actually supposed to make any sense other than “this sounds cool”?
Oh I know. I just like pointing it out with Star Wars. In Trek you can find consistency but in Star Wars there’s fucking none. It’s the movie equivalent of kids playing with action figures and one-upping each other every 5 seconds with some new OP abilities.
You mean the daughter he thought was dead at this point?
So Vader is an all powerful empath who can sense all kinds of shit over lightyears but he can be immediately thwarted if someone lied to him 20 years ago?
Not the take you think it is. The fact there was zero hesitation means he’s either an absolute idiot who doesn’t acknowledge personal feelings/vibes/hunches (which doesn’t match with anything we’ve ever seen from Anakin) or his powers to sense other peoples presence is greatly over exaggerated.
Jedi powers kept changing from movie to movie, so its more inconsistent writing than anything else.
At that point she’s is not his daughter in the script itself. And he is not absurdly powerful as portrayed later by fans and prequels.
He’s an angry evil space monk.
Oh that’s 100% what it is. People complain about the Sequel Trilogy for ‘not having a plan’ but they also seem to be purposefully ignoring the fact that nothing in Star Wars was planned. The power levels for everyone are so stupidly inconsistent that you can’t keep track. Vader is, in effect, a fucking God according to everything we’ve seen him in. With all the canon additions like Rebels, Jedi: Survivor, Kenobi, and all the comics we’re seeing him at a power level thats, forgive the meme, over 9000.
Then A New Hope starts and he’s a wet fish with no abilities at all and doesn’t know how to swing a lightsaber. Kenobi says “Strike me down and i’ll become more powerful than you can possibly imagine”. Meanwhile that apparently translates to “I’ll show up as a force ghost a couple of times and help in no way whatsoever”. Yoda is a little grumpy gremlin in the Original Trilogy but is playing War Crimes Ping Pong in the Prequels/Clone Wars while being devastatingly powerful.
The writing for Star Wars just sucks because they keep focusing on the same 15 years before A New Hope. They’ve added so much to Canon that by the time you hit the Original Trilogy everything suddenly downgrades massively. At least Star Trek stayed consistent with its prequel stuff. Enterprise added a few extras, Discovery and Strange New Worlds expanded on some, but none of them created tech so stupidly powerful that it undoes everything in Trek after that point. You could argue the Spore Drive but at least Season 2 gives a solid reason as to why it never appeared in later Trek. There’s no excuse for why Vader goes from someone who can force choke people in orbit to a dude who can’t swing a fucking lightsaber without making it look like he’s using 99% of his effort to move in that suit.
Have you seen Klingons?
Like when Kirk et al left the galaxy but it’s going to take Voyager decades to get back from another quadrant.
We could go on about just Voyager honestly.
Stardates.
The Warp Speed Limit appears to have just been dropped.
Pretty sure Kirk also broke warp 10 before and no one turned in to a lizard.
Star Trek has plenty of inconsistency too, these are just some examples.
It sounds more like you’re unhappy someone is criticizing a thing you like. We like it too. Sometimes we do it so someone who is writing can recognize a problem and improve. Sometimes we do it because it’s fun. Like Weird Al parodying a song you like.
First off, they were a visual redesign. That’s it. It didn’t fuck with established lore or canon.
Second, if you want to talk about Klingons being inconsistent then you need to start with TOS, not the prequels. Klingons changed so drastically between TOS and the movies that Enterprise had to come up with an explanation for it.
I think a better suggestion is that she was weakened by the stun blaster. Leia hadn’t developed her force powers much at all at that point, so being in a weakened state could lead Vader to thinking nothing much of her. He would expect his child to be unusually powerful, of course.
Honestly I believe “20 years of hatred fueled by the belief that both of your children are dead clouds your perception” over “well she got stun gunned recently” lol
I don’t buy that. He’s the leader of the Inquisitors. His whole thing is dealing with people who are force sensitive and either killing them or turning them. Also, thanks to George Lucas, there’s another major sticking point. Midichlorians. Vader would have been able to sense them in her regardless of being stunned or even conscious.
Vader could likely sense that Leia had some latent Force Sensitivity, but so do a lot of people. The inquisitors only cared if they were former Jedi or Jedi in training.
He also didn’t realize Luke, whom he almost killed at the end of the movie, was his son either. At least not immediately.
Since Luke still called himself “Skywalker”, it was pretty easy for him to put 2-and-2 together after the Death Star event. He had to read Luke’s mind on the second Death Star to figure out that he even had a daughter (Anakin did not know Padme was having twins, so he never bothered to search for another child after Luke) and even then he still doesn’t know it was Leia Organa, he only refers to her as “your sister”.
Obviously the precognition that comes from being an adept user of the Force doesn’t allow you to simply pluck knowledge from thin air.
People in general are really bad at reconsidering life-defining events under a different light, impulsive people most of all, so it’s not out of character for Vader to ignore any instincts that tell him there’s a connection between him and Leia.
Yeahhhhhh see there’s your problem. You’re taking Star Wars lore too literally. Don’t you know you can’t take every little thing Star Wars adds and assume its actually supposed to make any sense other than “this sounds cool”?
/s, but also not really
Oh I know. I just like pointing it out with Star Wars. In Trek you can find consistency but in Star Wars there’s fucking none. It’s the movie equivalent of kids playing with action figures and one-upping each other every 5 seconds with some new OP abilities.
Yeah I didn’t say it was a good suggestion, just that it was better lol.
It could also depend on the force users mind
vader could have unconsciously ignored his force senses because he beleives she was dead