• Blazing8215@fedia.io
    1·
    6 hours ago

    I tried to, but both Vivaldi and Brave had issues I couldn’t get over and in the end I decided to have a time out by switching to Firefox ESR with custom policy and autoconfig.

    Whatever happens in April will probably take time to land on ESR so I will hopefully have plenty of time to adopt about:config changes or actually switch to another browser.

    I don’t feel like switching back to LibreWolf, since I already used it ages ago and learnt to make my current setup with upstream Firefox, so it would be kind of pointless and what would I do at Chromium? Three months and ManifestV2 is permanently killed and what extension doesn’t say to run better on Firefox? I have been observing at least uBlock Origin (manifest V2), Privacy Badger (v3 in Chrome) and NoScript (also v3) and I think at least GitHub discussions said they all have shortcomings on Chrome.

  • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
    2·
    17 hours ago

    Maybe, but I’ll stay on the non-Chromium end of things. I’ll definitely try out some competitors, such as:

    • Mullvad Browser
    • Zen
    • LadyBird

    I still support engine diversity, but that doesn’t have to be mainline Firefox.

    That said, I don’t think the TOS is as bad as people claim, so I’m in no rush.

  • OmegaSunkey@ani.social
    12·
    17 hours ago

    I’ve tried every now and then but could never switch to firefox fully. It was either big ram usage, slowness, or the inability to handle more than 2 tabs. On android. On pc its just the first 2.

    Cromite.

  • Andromxda 🇺🇦🇵🇸🇹🇼@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    9·
    1 day ago

    No, because I haven’t used mainline Firefox in years.
    I’m pretty happy with LibreWolf on desktop and IronFox (available on Accrescent btw!) on Android (GrapheneOS)

    Unfortunately it’s still much less secure than Chromium, but I want and need a proper adblocker to maintain my freedom online. And I’m definitely not using Brave…

    The only kinda usable Chromium browsers are Ungoogled Chromium and Trivalent. I think I might try building Trivalent on macOS at some point. Maybe also gonna apply some patches from Thorium, as long as they don’t compromise security.

  • Sophocles@infosec.pub
    201·
    2 days ago

    I still don’t see Mozilla as a bad actor, especially in comparison with the villany that is google and microsoft. It’s still a great alternative for privacy newbies and average users, although I personally made the switch to librewolf (desktop) and iceraven (mobile) a while ago. Both being forks of firefox, development for actual firefox is essential for either of these to survive, so Mozilla still has my support albeit indirectly

    • acockworkorange@mander.xyz
      2·
      1 day ago

      Mozilla’s only reason of existence right now is so that Google can skirt an antitrust case.

      Edit: to be clear, that in itself makes it a bad actor.

      • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        1·
        19 hours ago

        I don’t subscribe to this theory.

        They don’t need to keep firefox on life support to avoid an antitrust case. A chromium fork could serve the same purpose.

        • acockworkorange@mander.xyz
          1·
          17 hours ago

          That might be true, but the fact that the competitor is using their engine as base could be used against them. It also doesn’t change the fact that they have Mozilla wrapped around their finger.

          • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            1·
            14 hours ago

            the fact that the competitor is using their engine as base could be used against them

            Not really.

            they have Mozilla wrapped around their finger

            There’s not really any evidence of that. Sure Mozilla has done some stupid things, and they’re not the champions of internet privacy we would like them to be, but it’s really just hyperbole to say they’re wrapped around google’s finger.

            • acockworkorange@mander.xyz
              1·
              7 hours ago

              I guess we just disagree what kind of influence having your company derive 90% of its income from a competitor can have.

    • Ledericas@lemm.eeEnglish
      1·
      2 days ago

      i have ironfox on android, and you can use alternative to google play, apparently google has secretely downloaded an app" which scans your phones and sends it to google.

  • ibuki@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    3·
    2 days ago

    Yep. I’ve switched to Waterfox, but I need a browser for my phone(I run iOS, yes I know), any suggestions?

  • merthyr1831@lemmy.mlEnglish
    6·
    2 days ago

    Nope.

    Not that I don’t think it’s a dumb move from Mozilla, but the options right now are:

    • Stay with Firefox
    • Move to a Firefox-based browser

    Especially since I use Mozilla’s services I’m sorta in their ecosystem right now. Maybe once I’ve moved passwords off I can consider moving, but even then on Android the only browser that supports uBlock is Firefox afaik, which makes it my YouTube client of choice.

    • JPAKx4@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      8·
      2 days ago

      100% recommend moving off firefox’s password manager, as it’s generally much more insecure than something like Bitwarden

        • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          1·
          19 hours ago

          I’ve been using keepassxc for the last few years.

          It’s just an encrypted file you sync however you like. I use syncthing.

        • sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          1·
          19 hours ago

          I ended up going from Firefox to Proton Pass – and even though Proton is doing some sus things as a company politically, moving off Mastodon, etc., it was painless to export passwords from Firefox, import them into Proton Pass, and then use the Proton Pass extension / app across all devices.

          It’s unfortunate for Mozilla, their password manager was the first I ever used, but they let it lag so far behind they lost me as a user. Proton is way better. I’m sure other things are too.

        • yyprum@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          3·
          2 days ago

          Ideally, but bitwarden is a great in between solution, you can always export everything later to your self hosted solution of choice.

      • merthyr1831@lemmy.mlEnglish
        1·
        50 minutes ago

        I mean if Im on mozilla’s code im on mozilla’s code no matter what fork that is. Feels like decrying a policy in Arch Linux so you move to Manjaro.

        Of course there’s no real alternative engines either. Either Chromium where they’re shuttering Manifest V2 or Webkit which is under Apple so until Ladybird is up there I’m not sure about migrating to a fork.

    • thisismyname@lemm.eeEnglish
      4·
      17 hours ago

      Linux Mint. You’ll get a thousand other recommendations which you can perhaps explore once you’re more comfortable with Linux but for the easiest most Windows-like experience just get Mint.

      You don’t even need to ditch Windows completely, if you’re uncomfortable with that, because you can dual boot meaning when you turn your PC on it asks would you like to open Windows or Linux

      If you don’t like it, well, at least you tried. I think you’ll have a great time though exploring free software to do tasks you would have had to pay or subscribe to previously.

      Take your time, ask questions on forums if you need to, and most importantly, enjoy it. Enjoy the experience of learning how computers actually work, enjoy personalising your machine to truly be your machine.

      Good luck, and have fun!

    • MajorHavoc@programming.dev
      2·
      2 days ago

      Nice. I’ve been there, and changing just a bit at a time has added up to my computing now being in a state I’m much happier with.

  • weker01@sh.itjust.works
    1·
    2 days ago

    No, if I read that correctly the terms do not apply to me as I don’t use the “Executable Code version of Firefox”.

  • Yozul@beehaw.org
    4·
    2 days ago

    Is there anything in the new ToS that’s even bad? Like, there are lots of people breathlessly ranting about how privacy is dead because Mozilla mentioned the existence of third parties and gibberish like that, but when I read it myself it mostly seemed like they were just saying that if you use third party services through Firefox then the third parties will have your data. That seems kinda like a nothingburger of a controversy to me. I dunno, I’m not a lawyer, maybe I missed something, but if so I certainly haven’t seen anybody else explain it properly.

    • Corgana@startrek.website
      1·
      2 days ago

      You’re right that it’s nothing big, but the kind of people super into purity tests tend to congregate on the fediverse (which I find a little ironic but am also happy to have some people around who accept no compromises).

      • Yozul@beehaw.org
        3·
        2 days ago

        They removed a broadly worded promise that might theoretically be used to get them in trouble for selling anonymized data. I’m not happy about that, but it doesn’t surprise me.

        The rest is just people being angry at Mozilla for describing how a modern web browser works, because other companies have pointed at similar language to argue that they have the right to do whatever they want with any information they collect and no one has stopped them. That sucks, but the problem is that there are no consequences for large corporations, not that Mozilla is using the information you put into your browser to access the internet for you. Maybe Mozilla will also decide to intentionally misinterpret their own legalese to train some garbage AI, but the absolute worst case scenario is that they’re the same as every other significant browser, and a more reasonable interpretation would be that the non-profit organization is probably not profit motivated and actually means the things they say.

        Who knows. I can’t see the future, but without Firefox forks of it are a dead-end, and any other browser is still going to collect a bunch of information and use it to navigate the web for you, because that’s just how today’s garbage javascript laden websites work. Yelling at Mozilla for explaining that in their ToS isn’t going to fix it, and Ladybird isn’t going to magically change how those websites work. If you really want to do something about it, don’t use those websites. Good luck with that.

  • e0qdk@reddthat.com
    3·
    2 days ago

    Yes.

    Short term – I’ll probably be moving to LibreWolf, most likely. I’m planning to spend a good chunk of time this weekend reviewing what exactly their fork does. I’ve read their self-description already – and like it – but I want to look through the code and try to build it myself before I start depending on it.

    Long term – I’ll be keeping my eye on Servo and Ladybird.

      • e0qdk@reddthat.com
        0·
        2 days ago

        Thanks for the pointer. As I said, I need to spend a good chunk of time reviewing exactly what they’ve done before I feel confident enough to depend on it. A simple reconfiguration of stock Firefox that I am confident does not phone home is likely good enough for me in the short term.

        If you have a better solution though, please let us know what it is.

        • ded@lemy.lolEnglish
          1·
          2 days ago

          does not phone home

          Only blocking will achieve this fully.

          What I use is Firefox with config (similar to librewolf) + blocking using privoxy. I’ve been using this for a long time. However I’m no longer confident this is sufficient.

  • onlinepersona@programming.dev
    4·
    2 days ago

    Librewolf. Mozilla will just keep enshittifying their browser. My biggest hope is that chrome is split off from Google and Mozilla loses their funding from google (500M/year). It’s way more than they need and they refuse to actually compete with Chrome/Chromium. Instead, they are content being the excuse for Google not to be sued for being a monopoly.

    Hopefully the charade will end before Trump leaves office. Either because the US courts force google to split or because the EU finally grows a pair and declares Google and their tech to be a liability. My bet is that a new browser like LadyBird will give Firefox a reason to actually improve, but it’ll be too late.

    Anti Commercial-AI license