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Mozilla has just deleted the following:
“Does Firefox sell your personal data?”
“Nope. Never have, never will. And we protect you from many of the advertisers who do. Firefox products are designed to protect your privacy. That’s a promise. "
Source: Lundke journal.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
OK, Mozilla, I’ll use a damn fork, since you insist! WTF…
That’s a good way of putting it. I feel like some of us might return to monkey and just use gopher again, reject the corpo bullshit ways of siphoning every ounce of data out of our existence.
If everybody would as a consequence use Librewolf, Mozilla would be forced to change minds.
The LibreWolf Debian repository was down all of last week. I peeked over at their forum and it looks like the team is really struggling to maintain the project since a key member left. Its struggles to keep up with security updates is why its no longer being recommended by Privacy Guides. I’m trying out Mullvad browser right now to see how it fairs
Hey can you link me to a source where it shows that privacy guides doesn’t recommend it due to security updates slowing down? I cannot find it.
I was going to use mullvad browser instead, however it wants you to use DoH. If you turn it off, you’re now fingerprintable. This is rough since i use network filter tools and it’ll bypass it if i use doh. So i was gonna try librewolf.
Here’s the forum discussion on including Librewolf as a recommended browser:
https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/librewolf-browser-firefox-fork/148
It’s quite long as the topic has been open since 2022; all other posts about Librewolf are closed by mods and the discussion is redirected here.
Thanks. I looked through this and a few threads. It seems like they did lose a key member. But it also seems like they’ve kept up with Firefox security updates, which is the most important part. It’s still concerning though but it seems perfectly fine to use. What do you think?
As for mullvad browser, like i said, I’d use that but unfortunately I can’t use DoH which is rhe default in that browser. It will bypass my network filtering.
Oh no, that’s sad to hear. Society really needs to start doing more clever decisions. A project like Librewolf could be so incredibly useful for most of people. Somehow should find a way to foster those efforts.
Does LibreWolf not have a mobile client? The ability to sync with my desktop will unfortunately keep me on Firefox, unless I’m just missing it.
no it doesnt, use fennec, or ironfox.
Ironfox has Firefox sync
This is where not understanding how to use GitHub becomes a problem for me
GitHub is so effing confusing, I can’t even. You’d think I’d get the hang of it as often as I need to use it. I feel like UIs for the last like 20 years just get harder and harder for me to follow as everything is condensed into wordless little icons and countless images tile across my screen.
I copied this from my other reply in case you don’t see it
You can use Obtanium to pull from Github, Gitlab, and a few others, it has a search function. So you can search ‘Ironfox’ and it will find it on Gitlab, then Obtanium will ask if you want to install it.
Obtanium is available on F-Droid, or from Github…
Usually you want to look for the “releases” tab.
Nods knowingly, oh yeah these are some links alright
Apk is a package file, grab the one that matches the architecture of your device, probably the arm64 one unless you know otherwise.
They have an f-droid repo on the main page, would recommend installing that way
You can use Obtanium to pull from Github, Gitlab, and a few others, it has a search function. So you can search ‘Ironfox’ and it will find it on Gitlab, then Obtanium will ask if you want to install it.
Obtanium is available on F-Droid, or from Github…
i have obtanium, but the searches is not finding anything? is there a mehtod of using it, im not a techie person. i was able to somehow download it from the github under app-arm64-v8a-fdroid-release.apk list?
When you go to “Add app” you can either add the direct URL (if you know it) or the next option down is “search”. When you tap search it takes you to another page that says “select source” and has check boxes for Github, Gitlab, etc. Make sure they are ticked then tap “select 4”.
When it follow those steps I see results from multiple sources.
it says could not find suitable releases, since i already have it is thats why its causing that message?
Thanks. <3
I’ve been using Mozilla since version 1.0, and have gone through the highs and lows. This is the point where I get off, what a shame.
“never will” “promise”
I do not think these words mean what you think they mean.
Yanks gonna yank to be honest
Honest question for people in this thread:
Would you pay a subscription to use Firefox, and if no, what would you propose as a means of sustaining Firefox’s professional development budget if they lose Google’s Monopoly money?
they are going to need ads, and that would mean anti-adblocking down the line.
I pay for email so I’d be fine paying for a version of Firefox that is stripped of AI and other shit to support them.
I don’t have the money to pay for every project, but I would be fine with ads respecting my privacy. I don’t understand where Anonym came from while EFF DNT policy has existed for ages and they could just have bundled https://www.eff.org/files/effdntlist.txt like the AdNauseam extension does and I have been using the list with uBlock Origin for ages without issues.
It’s about time the community throws its weight behind a hard Firefox fork. Mozilla has been blinded by Google’s money for more than a decade consistently doing the bare minimum to stay an alternative.
they became content from the money.
looks to me like they just changed the phrasing. am I misreading it?
To some extent they have changed the wording, as clarified here: https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b61939b7f4310eb80c5470e#commitcomment-153095625
Saying the new wording is:
“Mozilla doesn’t sell data about you (in the way that most people think about “selling data“), and we don’t buy data about you. Since we strive for transparency, and the LEGAL definition of “sale of data“ is extremely broad in some places, we’ve had to step back from making the definitive statements you know and love. We still put a lot of work into making sure that the data that we share with our partners (which we need to do to make Firefox commercially viable) is stripped of any identifying information, or shared only in the aggregate, or is put through our privacy preserving technologies (like OHTTP).”
Which seems to be because of the legal definition of selling data. Note this quote is now live on their privacy FAQ: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/faq/
However, this part:
We still put a lot of work into making sure that the data that we share with our partners (which we need to do to make Firefox commercially viable)
Sounds an awful lot like straight up selling our data. It would be nice to have specifics. The privacy FAQ page doesn’t seem to actually provide clarity.
Yeah, specifics would be great. “Someone clicked this ad”, or potentially even “someone in Germany clicked this ad” is a big difference from “a 20-year old man who likes blahaj in Hamburg has opened a new tab”.
What a shame. I tried waterfox for the first time and I got a good first impression. Will probably switch to it.
In December 2019, System1, an advertising (paid notice) company that claims to be focused on privacy, bought Waterfox. In July 2023, Alex Kontos said that Waterfox is an independent and separate project again.
I’m rather unsure about what is truly going on behind the scenes, but my trust in them is far to find…
I appreciate the info. Guess I’ll try Librewolf and look into Ironfox.
