• ComradeSharkfucker@lemmy.ml
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    You would do well to learn about Chile under salvadore allende as well as what happened after the US both funded and encouraged a military coup that killed salvadore allende and replaced him with America’s favorite Augusto Pinochet who’s favorite method of dealing with people he didn’t like was pushing them out of helicopters

    here’s some information

    Make of it what you will, I’m not asking you to be a commie just that you inform yourself about the actual history of us imperialism. Nicaragua is also a great care study in US meddling

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      You would do well to learn about Chile under salvadore allende as well as what happened after the both funded and encouraged a military coup that killed salvadore allende and replaced him with America’s chosen Augusto Pinochet

      Funny enough, that coup wasn’t us, for once. We had previously tried to coup Chile and failed - Pinochet’s successful coup was a happy coincidence for the US government (or unhappy for everyone with a sense of morality) after we’d moved our resources to other projects.

      That being said, after Pinochet was in power, the US was more than happy to support him, despite the fact that the forms of torture inflicted by Pinochet on political dissidents were… vile beyond belief.

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          I mean, it’s a lot more than just “Didn’t directly shoot him”. We’d essentially written off Chile before Pinochet played Allende. The most you can say is that we were involved in previously attempting (mostly unsuccessfully) to destabilize the country in 1970.

          I’m not saying the CIA didn’t do it because the CIA are really nice guys at heart instead of complete sociopaths. Obviously they’re complete sociopaths and US foreign policy in Latin America is horrendous, especially during the Cold War.

          I’m saying the CIA didn’t do it because the CIA tried, failed, and then moved on to other countries to commit atrocities in.

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            “Allende, who has been described as the first Marxist to be democratically elected president in a Latin American liberal democracy, faced significant social unrest, political tension with the opposition-controlled National Congress of Chile, and economic warfare ordered by United States president Richard Nixon”

            “In 2000, the CIA admitted its role in the 1970 kidnapping of René Schneider (then Commander-in-chief of the Chilean Army), who had refused to use the army to stop Allende’s inauguration.”

            “The Nixon administration, which had played a role in creating favorable conditions for the coup, promptly recognized the junta government and supported its efforts to consolidate power.”

            Maybe read the source I linked? Yes the CIA didn’t kill allende, he ended his own life, but they did cause the conditions that led to the coup, put Pinochet in charge of the military responsible for the coup by kidnapping the previous military leader who refused, and then promptly recognized and supported the insuing military dictatorship.

            Sure they didn’t kill him and they didn’t overthrow him themselves but if Pinochet was a gun they pointed him at allende and gave him every reason to shoot.

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              “In 2000, the CIA admitted its role in the 1970 kidnapping of René Schneider (then Commander-in-chief of the Chilean Army), who had refused to use the army to stop Allende’s inauguration.”

              The kidnapping was a major contributing factor to Allende’s transition to the presidency, because Chile saw it as fucked up. Which it was.

              It was a failure. A pathetic failure. Trying to draw a line from “Oops actually this backfired completely” and “Man playing the long game for over a decade finally coups other man who trusted him” is a fool’s errand.