oldie meme but needed to bring this back due to recent incidents 😭

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    Me: “I like pancakes”

    Lemmy: “Only a shitlib western imperialist would think that. Read more Lenin.”

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    I like that the name of the platform has been written over.

    “This is only happening locally here at <place in the internet> and not at <every other place in the internet>”. And that’s happening for every place in the internet.

    Marvellous

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      i can’t speak to the frequency but the tone is definitely different when it happens here compared to on reddit, probably influenced by the demographic and field of interest differences. the ml roots of the place really have echoed throughout the tone of the space, so most of the arguments have a really cynical, high alert, almost superstitious affect to them that i never really encountered on reddit. (some random account i thought i was cool with is trying to like psychoanalyze my recent posts to find my true intentions? i gave up on that convo)

      your mileage may vary, of course!

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    What…. This is on par with any kind of internet discourse. It’s pretty much why I hardly ever post prior to Lemmy. It doesn’t matter how well articulated the post, SOMEONE will find the need to correct or clarify unnecessarily.

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      it’s really sad because i take great pride and pleasure from reading other people’s thoughts and posts. but when i try to give back, it’s immediately jumped on by dogpilers and “oh you actually meant something else…” people. and when i do the bare minimum to defend myself, they slap back with the “okay buddy, sure” and downvote my defense so it’s invisible to other readers.

      needless to say my blocklist is nearing 100 users.

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        and downvote my defense so it’s invisible to other readers.

        Lemmy isn’t an endless torrent of comments. Even downvoted ones get reached.

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          hmm i honestly just don’t understand what the post is trying to say. it’s a bit unclear to me but im sorry there was confusion and hard feelings going on

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              see i agree with that statement when written out like that. the post doesn’t really do anything to get me to that notion on its own though.

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                Hm. Maybe it was too subtle? Cunk is explaining why “trolls pretending to be trans” is supposed to be a problem on Lemmy, using her usual brand of accidentally telling it like it is. Lemmy only has a “troll problem” because Lemmy users hate trans people. No trans hate, no troll problem. If everyone respected trans people, nobody would be getting called a troll. If anyone actually tried to troll that way, they’d be met with acceptance and have no power.

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                  hmmm try workshopping different ways to express this thought, i’m quite lost sorry :(

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    I like to insult and block these people. My fear of course, with Lemmy being so small, is I will block everyone. Then again, that’s still better than dealing with illiterate, contrarian assholes

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      I feel the same way, then I look at my blocklist and it’s just lemmy.ml, anime subs, 3 people, some political terms, and a bot. I also have a .world account I use when I want to view the whole Lemmy experience anyways. Tbh I still feel kinda bad about blocking .ml, there was some cool peeps on there but I just can’t deal with all the tankie drama

    • :3 3: :3 3: :3 3: :3@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      This is anywhere, period. You can do that with letters, you can do that with speeches, or in casual conversations.

      And you’re not always wrong about it either.

      If you’ve played Disco Elysium, “Welcome to Revachol”. If you haven’t, play it. It’s an amazing game

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    I see more Motte-and-bailey fallacy.

    I see less “I like pancakes” and more “I think pancakes are superior to waffles” from the first commenter.

    Then the second commenter responds, “So you hate waffles?”

    Then the first commenter retreats to “No, I just like pancakes. Why are you assuming what I’m saying? Don’t you understand I’m being nuanced?”

    Also, nuance is one of the more recent words to have a new usage like literally, which can now mean figuratively. When people say their argument is nuanced they mean it is good or correct. It reminds me of the use objective to describe a person to pretend they don’t have biases to incorrectly validate their arguments.

    • spujb@lemmy.cafeOP
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      me: lot of pancakes out there

      you: actually i see more waffles

      (with peace and love haha you make excellent points i just couldn’t resist)

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    Equally common, unfortunately, is people who don’t state their point, they just lay out the pieces and expect you to put it together, but then if you say something bad about it suddenly that’s “not what I said”. Schrodinger’s point.

    I’ve developed a response to comments that do this saying-it-but-not-saying-it thing, and while I try to judge sincerity, there are false positives. An okay approach I’ve found is just to ask people to clarify: if they say something reasonable they’re genuine, and if they dodge the question they’re a troll or someone who doesn’t want to admit they believe something bad.