• Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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    4 hours ago

    For an united states sort of setup having one level of government representing the states particularly makes sense to me. EU has a similar setup (but much more complicated) and a suggestion that it’d just be based on popular vote would cause a civil war.

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      13 minutes ago

      The EU has a representative setup, which is democratic. Nothing like the US Senate, which is designed to rob people of representation.

      Again, governments justify their existence by serving people, full stop, not arbitrary land masses. What’s next, a tertiary chamber of Congress for corporations?

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        The EU has a representative setup, which is democratic. It is nothing like the US Senate, which was created specifically to undermine democracy.

        I’m just saying Council of the European Union and European Council vs. European Parliament is same sort of separation between “popular vote” and member state governments and the reasoning is similar. There’s been a lot of discussion about how singular states can stop the will of the rest of the EU and so on. Taking away that veto is a real hot button issue.

        Again, governments justify their existence by representing people, full stop, not arbitrary land masses.

        Ostensibly the states should represent people, that is specifically their state’s people. Whereas congress and president should be more about the whole federation, as I’ve understood it. How well that works, well, that’s another matter.

        What’s next, a tertiary chamber in Congress for corporations?

        Ireland has something a bit like that:

        "Most members of the Seanad Éireann, the upper house of the Oireachtas (parliament) of Ireland, are elected as part of vocational panels nominated partly by current Oireachtas members and partly by vocational and special interest associations. The Seanad also includes two university constituencies. "

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_and_Commercial_Panel