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Me looking for Kamala Harris’s “radical Marxist policies”
I’ve got a set of microscopes I could lend you.
You’re going to need an overactive imagination too. Possibly a collection of cognitive impairments.
More cognitive impairments equals more human, right?
Surelly lots and lots of psychadelic drugs would achieve a similar effect!?
The five dollar milkshake.
You don’t put bourbon in it or nothin’?
Love it! 😅😅
Wtf
no one seems to like my memes
It’s because they’re strange. The message they’re communicating is inscrutable.
it’s trying to sell Kamala to anarchists
But why? That’s a very hard sell and a very inefficient use of your time. At best you could convince some anarchists of the harm reduction argument, but you could never convince anarchists to be enthusiastic about voting for Kamala, which is what those very absurd memes seem to be trying to do.
Edit: And very ineffectively I might add. I still can’t make heads or tails of what those memes are trying to say.
it makes me feel better about voting for her. also I think it is funny
God I wish Harris was a radical Marxist
Democrats: “let’s pass some reasonable reforms to temper the ill effects of deregulated capitalism”
Republicans: “that’s socialism and you’re a Marxist!”
Youth: “we want reform so I guess we like socialism!”
Republicans: “the radical left is indoctrinating our kids!”
Followed by :
Democrats: “Fine we’ll do whatever you want! Just don’t call us commies!”
Democrats: “let’s pass some reasonable reforms to temper the ill effects of deregulated capitalism”
Which democrats? The fuck?
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Name one Marxist policy that has ever existed in the US.
Wow, Republicans are Marxists 🤔
That’s an incoherent question.
I guess the closest actual answer would be the Black Panthers and their activities
8 hour work day. 5 day week. (still too long but an improvement). OSHA… The list is literally endless.
OSHA, as much as I love it is not even close to Socialism, its enabling act requries it to consider the effects of profit before any rule comes into place. The citiations are far too low to mean anything, and almost always the too low fines are negotiated down, or vacated intirely.
OSHA is a worker protection but it exests as part of capitalism
Depends on whether you consider social welfare programs an acceptable version of transitional socialism.
ACA
I promise you, the Republican party doesn’t care who they offend as long as it’s an out-group.
Genuinely, watching Harris be referred to as a radical communist hurts me
Radical Marxist communist fascist or something wasn’t it. Lol
Radical:❔ maybe, if she can skateboard
Marxist: ❌ lol
Communist: ❌
Fascist: ✅ could be worse though
(I’m voting for Kamala, don’t be grumpy)
I’m not sure how many of the youngins remember that use of the word ‘radical’.
Only those who are totally tubular.
And Daniel
I kind of hate dad jokes, but you got me there.
🤘
Knowingly voting for a fascist. That’s interesting. You’re different.
Ah yes, those well known non-radical fascists
You 🤝 Trump
Things I don’t like are fascism
in political scholarship, radical has a specific meaning, and fascism is not radical. it is reactionary
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Lol
I was just impressed trump graduated from communist to Marxist. Getting more specific and less accurate!
I swear the republicans are running pr for democrats. Harris went from “communist” to Marxist, and not even attached to Lenin!
Republicans don’t know the difference between the types of communists.
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I laughed out loud at the debate where he said Harris’ father was a “marxist professor of economics”. That is not a thing.
What do you mean “that’s not a thing?” I don’t believe he’s ever explicitly called himself a Marxist but he has cited Marx as an influence on his works, as a professor of economics.
One of Harris’s most notable contributions to economics is his 1978 monograph Capital Accumulation and Income Distribution, which is a critique of orthodox economic theories that provides an alternative, synthesizing the work of David Ricardo, Kalecki, Marx, Roy Harrod, and others. Harris employs mathematical modeling to explore the relationship between the accumulation of capital and income inequality, economic growth, economic instability, and other phenomena, arguing that typical theories fail to adequately consider power, class, and historical context.
It seems basically true that he’s a Marxist professor of economics. It’s just not really relevant to Kamala since she’s an entirely different person.
Also, any economist worth their salt has studied Marxism to some degree. Love him or hate him, Marx is one of the most influential economists in history!
Why not a Ricardian? I guess it doesn’t have that same zing.
If someone called him a Ricardian professor of economics and someone else was like, “Lol that’s not a thing” I’d say that the first person was more right than the second, with the same disclaimers I said in my comment.
Again, I think the whole issue is silly. Kamala is not her father. And I don’t see being a Marxist as being a bad thing. Considering how much the term gets slung around in US politics to people it doesn’t apply to at all, like Kamala Harris or Obama, I think it’s kind of silly to push back against it when it’s being used with someone who could credibly be called a Marxist. Especially when the much more clear and relevant line is that her father is irrelevant.
Marxist is less specific than communist
I’m more of a practical American socialist than a radical communist (since that’s unlikely to happen here) but it offends me because republicans are just so ignorant. The average Republican essentially has no idea what socialism, communism or fascism actually are, and conservatives have been using this as a scary label for my entire life.
I’m more of a practical American socialist than a radical communist (since that’s unlikely to happen here)
Why do you say this? What’s a “practical American Socialist?”
- practical: I don’t have any delusions that the US will implement leftism more extreme than EU style socialist policies any time soon
- American: I’m from the US
- socialist: I feel the government should be involved more in regulating industries, owning certain categories of services, moderating excess wealth, and ensuring the financial/economic well-being of citizens, as opposed to the conservative style which is basically ‘well, if you’re poor then fuck off’.
- practical: I don’t have any delusions that the US will implement leftism more extreme than EU style socialist policies any time soon
The EU doesn’t have socialist policies, you’re referring to social safety nets.
- socialist: I feel the government should be involved more in regulating industries, owning certain categories of services, moderating excess wealth, and ensuring the financial/economic well-being of citizens, as opposed to the conservative style which is basically ‘well, if you’re poor then fuck off’.
So you’re talking Social Democracy, like the Nordics, not Socialism.
Not precisely as I mentioned public ownership of some industries and services that are privately owned. Healthcare and drug production would be two good examples.
Those are found in the nordics, that’s still dependent on Capitalism as the basis unless you also want to entirely restructure government.
I’d love for the US economic system to somehow be wholly restructured, but incremental improvements are the best we can do currently.
Not really, we have no actual control over policy.
Look, people have been debating the definition of socialism for decades, and you guys are not going to figure out here today on Lemmy World.
its pretty settled actialy, its the worker ownership of the means of production
It’s not a debate so much as a propaganda war where every state is lying.
Defeatist (based on observation of fact)
Defeatist because I’m not pushing for full communism or are you referring to something else?
The thing about defeatism is that sometimes it’s just correct, the war is lost. Socialism as in the workers owning the means of production is a currently impossible concept for America. Social democracy would need a tidal wave of the YOOTHS building a New Deal-type political coalition as the Boomers die off but it’s something you can work towards.
The capitalist and nationalist propaganda against communism has been at a completely insane level in the US for 70 years now… yeah, it’s hard to go against, but I do have faith it’s dying out. Conservatives can’t even really remember the USSR currently and younger people, mainly liberal (IN A US POLITICS SENSE) can clearly see the problems with the current system and have desire and will to make it change. Still lots of completely deluded younger folks too, though, and the levels of fascist propaganda we’re dealing with now are massive.
Both parties agree on the standard indoctrination. They only disagree about the purpose/topics of the brainwashing. Neither party wants it to include an honest discussion about socialism, fascism, etc. It’s a self-perpetuating problem where the indoctrinators don’t even understand what this stuff means.
In order not to be confounded with economic socialists, who the right accuses of wanting everything for free at the expense of others, I always inform people that I am a Nathan J. Robinson socialist.
I read about Robinson and it all sounds pretty reasonable.
Im not offended as much as I am disappointed in the Democrat party, why aren’t they as cool as the Republican say they are. Whenever Trump calls them “far left communists” I think “damn I wish”, instead they’re boring center right liberals. Also I was promised by Trump that the Democrats would end capitalism, kill capitalists, instiute a worker owned economy, open the borders to immigration, enforce Trans rights, promote actual diversity, and unify the left under the red banner.
Dems are as cool as republicans because they’re the same thing. The dems aren’t going to call republicans fascist because the dems share all the same symptoms. They’re not going to call out the republicans for supporting genocide because they also support genocide. They’re not going to call out republicans on supporting the prison state because dems also support the prison state. The dems aren’t going to criticize the republicans for serving capital because the dems serve capital. Etc.
You gotta realize these politicians are agreeing on much much more than they disagree. It’s what’s not debated that’s most important.
It’s worse than that, Dems today are literally more right wing than Richard Nixon. Nixon literally wanted Federal universal healthcare at one point, started the EPA and expanded welfare.
Teenager energy right here, apparently functioning everyday life is boring and some wanna make some french style revolution cause raging hormones and underdeveloped brain. I promise you grow out of it though
Everyday life is not functioning 👍
I am very sorry for you. Let’s make a total revolution then and upend everything because Cowbee cannot function
It likely doesn’t function for you either, unless you’re a business owner or landlord
I am a landlady yes but that doesn’t change anything
Called it.
I provide service of housing in the capital city near best jobs and nightlife to 10 people. Not many want to bother even but thanks to me people have opportunity to better their lives.
I could just sell it all and buy some lazy stocks or the like and not even bother. It’s actually a bit of work to keep it all operational and provide these accommodations
Capitalist scum.
Wow aren’t you angry
Opinion irrelevant
when do you grow out of it? I’m in my mid thirties and the urge to water the tree of freedom has nothing but grown.
Well I guess there are exceptions. I blame trans/lgbt internet bubbles where desperate flock to. If no one loves you except commies you kinda are bound to become one permanently. Almost happened here too
This is some of the dumbest shit I’ve read in a while.
You have both such a narrow understanding of political positions as well as, seemingly, a narrow perspective of other people’s lives.
I can tell you from personal experence that Trans/LGBT bubbles as you call it, are incredably liberal and very rarely communist, Second have you considered why they are desperate, or was that enough for you to dismiss them. Third… do you know what Communism is? fourth, do you mean “here too” as you almost became a communist, or where you live almost did fifth, please learn what communism is, and also understand why there are spaces like the LGBT spaces,
I see that the red army dogs have responded to my calls. Good. The more the merrier
This is what lemmy excels at. You can be sure that there is a horde of commies waiting for a call to brigade some comment that tovarish designated
Of course you are all theoretical communists, probably neeting. First to the wall
First, finaly someone noticed my username so thank you for starting your correct accusation of me being a communist origionaly at my name and not my instence
second, no one told me to orde or brigade, did I post alot to you, yes but that is because as I was reading through this it was your posts that seemed to make me the most upset, or give me the urge to talk to. I have no idea who this Tovarish is, no would I follow them with no reason
last, what do you mean “theoretical communist” this seems like something that you can throw that is desinged to picit in such a way that it becomes unfalsifyable, let alsone your last part makes it so that the only way to falsify your claim is to atleast partialy dox myself. I can tell you I am in both education and trade if that makes you feel any better, beyond that I do not feel it wise to scream it on the internet.
this also answers none of the things I brought up, other than welcoming me, a thing I do want to thank you for you did nothing but accuse me of brigading, having no mind of my own, and not being a real comunist. I fail to see how this is productive
Well it certainly made you to produce some big wall of text that’s a bit too long to indulge reading
41 year old here. Not everyone grows up to be a fascist repub.
Socialist right here.
I’m 37 and want this.
Coming off as your accusations here
wanna make some french style revolution
And not smart enough to keep your ignorance of history under your hat to boot
great first impression
Counterpoint, you’re literally a capitalist. Just because the system benefits you doesn’t mean it benefits the working class.
I am and it’s fucking great lemme tell you that. You should try it some time
I am and it’s fucking great lemme tell you that. You should try it some time
Now that is teenager energy.
That is insanely out of touch, oh yeah ill just casually aquire capital because I have millions of dollars lying around. It ain’t like im struggling with low wages and an incredibly high cost of living. Consider talking to people outside of your circle of capitalists and maybe try talking to some working class people.
Idk my cost of living is like low as fuck 1000$ maybe maximum.
No one of you even asked or stated where you live so this whole discussion doesn’t even make sense from the start.
You are just so self centered to assume everyone is American westoid it’s not even funny
It doesn’t matter where you live, be it the US, Europe, or Australia, the cost of living is factually speaking going up in all capitalist countries while wages stagnate. The vast majority of people cannot afford to own capital, basic Capitalist economics state that the working class does not own the means of production. Also why did you just assume im American?
You’re DAFt. Hopefully you’re able to grow out of it.
I am daft punk
I know so I’ll provide some clarity: dumb as fuck twit
Make me some lasagna
It’s just an hyperbole about how leftists feel about vaguely centrist policies.
Democrats should ask themselves why Republicans are more worried about imaginary communists than actual Democrats
Is this a genuine comment? Or some n-th level joke I’m too normie understand?
Because it reads to me like you’re trying to redirect a tired, Comservative refrain that anything politically Left of Reagonomics is Communism (which hails back to the Cold War and the Red Scare) into some dogwhistle admission by the GOP that they are the same as the DNP and are, in fact, actually worried about Communists.
Which sounds ridiculous.
Dog whistle admission? No I don’t think that republicans and democrats believe they are the “same” and I don’t think that communists believe that GOP and dems believe that about themselves. Some young online communists might believe that Republicans and democrats are the same, since they are both capitalist parties, but that’s kind of a coarse analysis and I don’t think its great messaging.
Then I’ll have to ask you what the original comment meant as you’ve denied the only obvious take I could read from it.
Seems to me like they’re simply implying that the GOP knows they can’t beat Democrats on policy so they create this Communist Strawman to scare their constituents. It’s pretty basic GOP SOP.
Republicans aren’t afraid of democrats because dems aren’t a threat to republican power. Republican policy threatens the lives of millions of women, children, bipoc, lgbtq+, etc., but dems can only stave off the worst abuses, such as a second trump term (they’d better be able to, so far looks like he’s cooked) or launch a campaign once the rights have been taken away. And yes its true, republicans and democrats get funding from many of the same sources, democrats have even funded goofball republicans they thought would be easier to defeat (see desantis, trump). Republicans have nothing to fear from a democrat. I am wishing that democrats were more self reflective of these reasons and many others; but rather than do an ounce of self reflection “the only obvious” take you could get made no sense. Its sadly quite telling, as to how otherwise good, intelligent people are able to believe and adhere to the nonexistent “back to brunch” political program of the democrats.
Hope that clarifies my perspective for you a smidge
No it doesn’t, it doesn’t clarify anything. So far you’ve completely avoided anything that the other person brought up. You haven’t established what your point actually is, you’ve just gone on and on and I can’t tell if you’re trying to suggest that Dems are unaware that Reps create strawmen or you actually believe that Reps should be afraid of communists.
Neither make sense. I don’t know what you’re trying to say, and I’m a third party - please help me.
Well friend maybe I’m just not the right teacher for you
It’s probably the whole “yeh, still capitalism. Still big oil. Still big pharma. Still genocide and world-police”.
And you show that Dems are better on all those things. But because Dems don’t fully SOLVE 4/4 of them, it doesn’t matter who you vote for because you still get fucked.It’s bullshit.
Dems have more social benefit policies and track record of social improvements than reps.
ACA, vet funding/care, insulin etc pricing, student loans. Hopefully things like unions, but idk if I have been caught up in propaganda that Dems don’t care about unions.That’s a desperate list. Student loans, eh?
The only real form of vet care is abolishing imperialism and the military.
Or… just start pushing actual socialist policy; since everything gets called socialism anyway, we may as well enjoy it.
Corporate donors disapprove.
Why would they? The Democrats are one wing of a state dominated by monopolist Capitalists, they serve the monopolist Capitalists.
But which socialism? The economic socialism that those on the right hate, or the true social Socialism of which so many enjoy the fruits?
When are we going to start PUBLICLY calling out those on the right who accepted COVID stimulus checks from the government? This was a blatantly socialist program, bigger than the “Obamaphones” even (before you go off on me for citing Obamaphones, keep in mind that I believe a smartphone with service is a human right.) we’ve got all these people walking around from the right to talk about how much they hate socialism but that 3,200 seemed to come in pretty handy for most of them.
Social programs are not socialism.
You should read more and type less.
Social programs are not socialism. The covid checks were not socialist.
Both sides are wrong, just that Democrats are center-wrong, while Republicans are far-wrong.
They’re right-wrong. Social democracy is a centrist position, not neoliberalism.
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Can confirm. Every time the reps call Kamala a “comrade” or “Communist” I die a little bit inside.
They’re using a word their base is afraid of to paint their enemies in a negative light.
Their words aren’t for any of us.
They’ll change to using anarchist satanists or whatever once their base has reached somatic satiation and “communist” no longer generates enough of the right dopamine hit.
Oh I’m aware, believe me. The world would be a much better place if Kamala was actually a Communist is what I’m saying.
If Kamala had tried to do anything vaguely socialist while AG or Senator, they’d have gakked her like they did Harvey Milk.
Silicon Valley leadership wants to turn California into a fully techno-fascist dystopia. Nobody who has climbed the ladder as Dem, Repub, or Indie politician has lasted long against that effort. Harris isn’t an exception. She’s the kind of politician a state produces when anyone more liberal than Gruesome Newsome is systematically excluded from the party.
Exactly. The entire electoral system is a great filtering process.
Or they’ll get lucky and a new term like Trans or BLM will come along.
Hate is hate. People that hate will hate. Societies that don’t respond quickly and firmly to reduce hate will grow more hate. Etc .
Ideas come from material conditions, hatred of trans people, black people, etc. is a result of rising fascism due to decay in Capitalism and proletarianization of the Petite Bourgeoisie.
I truly had no idea the English name was similar to the French one. TIL something.
The English Name is the french name carried over, to be fair
Indeed, but just to be sure, is the meaning the same? The lower fringe/extremity of the bourgeoisie, often with more cultural capital than economical (teachers, non-pauperized nurses, young journalists, PhD in social sciences, etc.), joyfully rebellious but also with high levels of strict adherence to the established order, main agents of the gentrification of formerly popular urban neighborhood but whose younger generations can sometimes adhere to revolutionary perspectives, strongly despised by orthodox marxists while being the primary audience of such movements/orgs?
Generally the Petitie Bourgeoisie are the lower stratum of the Bourgeoisie proper who are proletatianized by the formation of Monopoly Capitalism, ie small business owners.
Yeah. Good ol fear leading to authoritarianism. One day maybe humans will able to teach enough history to enough humans living on earth at one time to finally learn to not repeat these cycles…
‘communist’ has been a hot word since the 50s and I don’t see any sign of it ever slowing down
Agreed … but it’s also kind of meaningless. Which it my point. It’s an emotion generating word. Not a “communicating an idea or concept” word. So when it’s said it’s only ever really used to make you react emotionally.
But you can only get so worked up with only one “hate” word. To continue the cycle they gotta add new ones to keep you keyed up.
The right doesn’t care about the idea or concept, if they found out that blurting out the meaningless phrase ‘Blaguoasrunt’ at a loud volume triggered people, they would do it, it would catch on, and people would make merchandise about it.
Regressive communications are the death of meaning, and I do not mean that casually. They take words and abuse them so much that everyone else stops caring about the word, regardless of what it meant before.
The word ‘Patriot’ is a great example. No one I know would appreciate that title because constant right wing misuse of it has twisted its meaning even in common phrases.
‘communist’ has been a hot word since the 50s
Make it 1939, if you live in Eastern Europe.
Well shit.
“Explain to me what you think a communist is”
I guarantee they give a wrong answer if they can even figure one out.
To be fair, most people on Lemmy.world can’t either. The vast majority of people in the west have not read Marx, or if they have done so, they have only read the Communist Manifesto perhaps once. Communism is so thoroughly demonized in the Imperial Core that only a minor fraction have even read Marx, and only a fraction among them have read more than just the CM.
When I heard Trump calling her “Marxis-Leninist” I was like mate you don’t even know the beginning of the beginning of even socialism.
My favorite quote from that fuckwad is “Lenin. Leh-neen, as they say.” Dude has no fucking clue
Idk how much is weapons grade stupidity and how much is that affect reactionaries adopt around not rberimg things they dislike.
They have an endless buzzword pocket that they cycle around. Marxist-Leninist, Communist, Socialist, Transgender, Illegal, CRT, DEI, etc.
Is it forbidden in English to use commas?
Commas are somewhat discouraged… or at least discretion with commas is encouraged. We have a rule about commas. “If in doubt, don’t.”
We should only use commas for certain prescribed circumstances or if the comma is necessary for clarity.
That said I will defend the Oxford comma to my last breath.
The irony being that now people use ellipses to mark a sentence pause, which isn’t really how an ellipsis is meant to be used. They were supposed to be for removing unnecessary but implied language from quotes. Agreed on the oxford comma though.
Yeah I like the … despite knowing it’s really for something like a trailing list. Its use seems regional even within the US. Our business partners in Chicago didn’t like it when we included the dots in emails.
That being said every comma they did use was also wrong.
Oh good point. When you nest something into commas like that the sentence is supposed to still make sense when you remove the bit between the commas.
Too close to the word commi
According to Cormac McCarthy? Yes.
My forgotten friend, the ; is always sad that people forget that they exist.
As a communist… Yeah
And it doesn’t make communism sound scary at all, but rather mysterious, alluring, and worth checking out.
Unless you’ve lived in ex-USSR.
And after looking into it, we find that the Soviets never really achieved communism in anything but name. Once again, like the feudal state they rebelled against before, it was rule by dictatorship, and rations for the people. They just couldn’t give up the idea of a strongman. The people by no means ever owned the means of production in the USSR. Of course, we can never confirm that communism is inherently untenable from their example. The capitalist nations were no help at all, and forced the Soviets to waste resources on a strong military. But even despite their failings, communism was still the best thing to ever happen to Russia. Unfortunately, Russia was also the worst thing that ever happened to communism.
People who love arguing socialist states fail love to ignore that the reasons are 95% economic interference and outright military intervention or coups from capitalist countries.
The guy who answered you is actually right.
Outright military interventions and coups are part of the package called the real world.
Anyway, I would replace “capitalist” with “bandit” here. Because “capitalism” is just as square-abstract as “communism”, while IRL just as vulnerable to those.
See, there’s an important thing called “feedback”. If there’s no feedback from you, your life doesn’t matter and you get stomped upon.
60s-70s USSR had very weak feedback mechanisms, but still surprisingly better than today’s Russia. Some things that people just accept today would cause real protests there. Half the ministries would be paralyzed by people saying that following such a policy is against their conscience. I really believe that, yes.
But then, due to its slow collapse and decay, those feedbacks becoming stronger started pushing for change that would deprive the ruling class - KGB and similar or related people, bureaucrats and relatives, anyway, the real structures usually don’t have names, - of power. That’s when that class hijacked the popular movement from the likes of Sakharov or Starovoitova and created modern post-Soviet states.
Which means that it had blind zones with no feedbacks said class used. And the more centralist-bureaucratic and non-transparent a state is, the more blind zones it has.
Anything that takes the power from being distributed between separate people and assembles it into one Moloch, calling it “power of the people”, controlled by hell knows whom, means that those people who actually have principles will get stomped.
As we can see, though, same things happen in countries very far from being “communist” or “socialist”.
So, it doesn’t work?
Edit: Lol angry tankies incoming.
So i can come deflate your tires every night and tell everybody you’re a loser who doesn’t even know how to fill a tire then?
If you knew how to take care of your car the tires wouldn’t be flat every morning. 🤷♂️
The result is that either you deal with the problem successfully, or you’ll be having flat tires every morning.
Is that so hard to understand?
Amazing…
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Does democracy not work because Athens lost a war to Sparta?
We dont have Greek democracy any more. We have the modern version.
Don’t think about that too hard.
We don’t have Soviet communism anymore either. Perhaps it’s time to try a modern version.
Not arguing anything with you stranger. I know what we’re told in the states, but I don’t think things are quite what we’re told they are.
Just want to share this declassified documents straight from cia’s website. The first little blurb says Stalin wasn’t really a dictator. Do with that what you will. ✌️
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80-00810A006000360009-0.pdf
Also the USSR was a socialisy state, not communist. Communism is a stateless society by definition. The word socialist is literally one of the s’s in USSR.
Stalin wasn’t a dictator in the sense that he didn’t have absolute power, but in the sense that everyone at the top agreed dissenters belong in slave camps he was absolutely the head of state of an authoritarian system, which most folks are happy to call a dictator.
It was not a feudal state. It was roughly similar to post-slavery South in the USA.
Yes, I already wrote they didn’t “achieve communism”. It’s the point of my text that they were promising it in the future in exchange for loyalty to a weird system in the present.Sorry, wrong comment.
and forced the Soviets to waste resources on a strong military.
Oh, so it’s “the capitalist nations”, not the way Soviet system worked, made this so expensive?
But even despite their failings, communism was still the best thing to ever happen to Russia.
Stolypin and Witte are generally considered something much, much better. The closest it came to a normal society with civilization potential.
Unfortunately, Russia was also the worst thing that ever happened to communism.
One could argue Khmer Rouge were that, but IRL communists’ incredible ability to just pretend it didn’t happen makes USSR the most notable example.
