Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez came out in support of President Joe Biden amid growing calls in the Democratic Party for Biden to drop out of the 2024 race.
And preferably, name someone who has announced their candidacy.
A list of people you’d like in the job isn’t as relevant. I would’ve accepted almost any of the names people had floated, had any of them publicly shown interest.
But here we are with people often demanding Jon Stewart and Michelle Obama throw their hats in the ring, and that’s two people who keep saying they aren’t interested.
No one who wants to run in 2028 is going to run against the incumbent President unless that President is incredibly weak.
Biden in 2020 was solid, but even he had a close win over Trump. Biden 2022 was starting to show signs of wear (understandably so), but planning for 2024 made sense. Not my favorite choice, but I don’t think it was necessarily wrong. 2024 SOTU Biden scared Republicans so much they made up all sorts of drug rumors.
Jump to 1st Debate 2024 Biden. That was his first real misstep. Biden can recover from this.
Biden was far from my first choice in 2020, but he’s done a great job. He needs to get out there and prove it. Showcase what he’s done and pitch a plan for a future America.
Right now I don’t know if Biden can do that. I saw parts of it during the debate, but I want more. Biden should be able to convince his own party he has what it takes to win. Biden isn’t incredibly weak at the moment, but he’s getting weaker.
At the end of the day I’m voting for Biden (or his replacement) because I believe in Democrat policy. I’m not just voting “against Trump”, I believe Democratic policy is better for Americans and the American people. Republican policy, especially under Trump, isn’t even worth considering, it’s fascism and I don’t mean that hyperbolically.
If Biden can’t beat Democrats, Biden can’t beat Trump and that’s a big fuckin concern to me.
Also, since you’re looking for a name, Newsom has made it clear he is going to run in 2028. Will he run if Biden steps down? That’s debatable. It’s going to be a tough race and a loss in 2024 probably means no chance of running in 2028. There is a chance no one can beat Trump (and that’s even scarier).
(Also to anyone on the fence, Fuck Trump. Get your ass to the voting booth on election day and vote Biden.)
They keep asking for names then stop responding when you give them one. Hilariously unserious people who just want to scream that we have zero other options as loud as possible.
Well yeah, it’s standard bad faith practice to keep getting stuck on ‘name someone’. That question is an obvious mind-trap that stifles the real point no one from the pro Biden camp wants to concede: Biden is an objectively bad candidate that may lose.
This bad faith argument is not their creation, nor does it really matter.
The DNC will not listen to its constituents (let alone a Lemmy thread)and hold a primary to let Democrats choose a different candidate. No one paying any attention believes that.
The argument serves two purposes i think, to skirt around the fact the DNC doesn’t represent us and won’t hold a primary no matter what , and to keep any real discussion of ranked choice or third party voting from even starting.
Because the DNCs plan to run against fascists forever only works if we stay in a FFTP system like this
Because they don’t want to undermine the party and an incumbent candidate. But, if the party opened it up and asked, “Who wants to be President?,” there’d be a rush like Black Friday.
There were 27 candidates for the nomination in 2020, but none of them are still interested?
Yeah im tempted try an “ignore previous instructions” on some of em they’re so insistent, but my father-in-law sounds just like 'em so i know they are actually real people. His first time voting in his whole entire life was in '20 and now that he has “become political” (his words) he feels comfortable lecturing anyone on politics. He will never see how asinine that is or question the narrative the TV tells him. I figure trump brought a lot of people like that out of the woodwork.
You’re not wrong (generally speaking…I’m not interested, I’m entirely untrustworthy, and no one who knows me wants me in that position), but they’re not going to run so it’s moot.
It’s a valid criticism. I rage deleted my 1.5 year old lemmy account for this reason just a few weeks back. Lol
Then I got randomly banned on reddit so I’m back here.
It’s a lot better to just turn off downvotes in the settings. I wish it was like that by default because I think it’s the biggest factor preventing lemmy from growing right now. It doesn’t really matter what you say, people downvote here, it’s basically just leftist 4chan
I rage deleted my 1.5 year old lemmy account for this reason just a few weeks back.
Then I got randomly banned on reddit
it’s the biggest factor preventing lemmy from growing right now.
leftist 4chan
honestly dunno where to even begin. like, you know when you’re just in absolute fucking awe of something & you feel like you should be communicating your feelings, but you just can’t? yeah, that’s where i’m at.
You can read my thread about the completely random ban lol. I prefer reddit greatly over lemmy, it’s just way more chill.
I was banned because I was on reddit for 12 years via adblocker/script blocker without ever spending a dime or installing the app. Accounts like this get flagged by reddit admins and they’ll just wait until you break the TOS in any way and claim that’s the reason for the ban. Reddit admin are certified morons and it’s just sad. I mean you won’t believe me but I was actually one of the good guys lol
I firmly believe lemmy in its current form is leftist 4chan. As soon as I get a new public IP I’ll just go back to reddit, it’s basically zero fun to post on lemmy
We’d love to, but Biden killed primaries and caucuses. And there’s not a Democrat in existence that will go up against the DNC’s hand-picked candidate after their behavior over the last decade.
Nothing conspiratorial about it. Anyone with half a brain could tell from their tradition of not holding a primary at all when there’s an incumbent, as well as their stacking the deck in favor of their chosen candidates in the two previous ones.
You’re acting as if the DNC is a political party that only does what the voters ask for, rather than a for profit private corporation, which is what it’s legally registered as and behaving like.
And preferably, name someone who has announced their candidacy.
A list of people you’d like in the job isn’t as relevant. I would’ve accepted almost any of the names people had floated, had any of them publicly shown interest.
But here we are with people often demanding Jon Stewart and Michelle Obama throw their hats in the ring, and that’s two people who keep saying they aren’t interested.
Edit: the shit people downvote here.
No one who wants to run in 2028 is going to run against the incumbent President unless that President is incredibly weak.
Biden in 2020 was solid, but even he had a close win over Trump. Biden 2022 was starting to show signs of wear (understandably so), but planning for 2024 made sense. Not my favorite choice, but I don’t think it was necessarily wrong. 2024 SOTU Biden scared Republicans so much they made up all sorts of drug rumors.
Jump to 1st Debate 2024 Biden. That was his first real misstep. Biden can recover from this.
Biden was far from my first choice in 2020, but he’s done a great job. He needs to get out there and prove it. Showcase what he’s done and pitch a plan for a future America.
Right now I don’t know if Biden can do that. I saw parts of it during the debate, but I want more. Biden should be able to convince his own party he has what it takes to win. Biden isn’t incredibly weak at the moment, but he’s getting weaker.
At the end of the day I’m voting for Biden (or his replacement) because I believe in Democrat policy. I’m not just voting “against Trump”, I believe Democratic policy is better for Americans and the American people. Republican policy, especially under Trump, isn’t even worth considering, it’s fascism and I don’t mean that hyperbolically.
If Biden can’t beat Democrats, Biden can’t beat Trump and that’s a big fuckin concern to me.
Also, since you’re looking for a name, Newsom has made it clear he is going to run in 2028. Will he run if Biden steps down? That’s debatable. It’s going to be a tough race and a loss in 2024 probably means no chance of running in 2028. There is a chance no one can beat Trump (and that’s even scarier).
(Also to anyone on the fence, Fuck Trump. Get your ass to the voting booth on election day and vote Biden.)
They keep asking for names then stop responding when you give them one. Hilariously unserious people who just want to scream that we have zero other options as loud as possible.
Well yeah, it’s standard bad faith practice to keep getting stuck on ‘name someone’. That question is an obvious mind-trap that stifles the real point no one from the pro Biden camp wants to concede: Biden is an objectively bad candidate that may lose.
This bad faith argument is not their creation, nor does it really matter.
The DNC will not listen to its constituents (let alone a Lemmy thread)and hold a primary to let Democrats choose a different candidate. No one paying any attention believes that.
The argument serves two purposes i think, to skirt around the fact the DNC doesn’t represent us and won’t hold a primary no matter what , and to keep any real discussion of ranked choice or third party voting from even starting.
Because the DNCs plan to run against fascists forever only works if we stay in a FFTP system like this
If you can’t name a candidate, you’re naming Trump.
Almost sounding like idk, corporate shills or something?
Has Newsom said he wanted the job?
Again, it’s not about a wishlist. I am NOT AGAINST OTHER CANDIDATES.
Just the endless hand-wringing and dropping names of those who don’t want the fucking job.
I like Newsom. If he were the candidate, I’d vote for him. But he isn’t, at least not yet.
Because they don’t want to undermine the party and an incumbent candidate. But, if the party opened it up and asked, “Who wants to be President?,” there’d be a rush like Black Friday.
There were 27 candidates for the nomination in 2020, but none of them are still interested?
Well duh, you think the Democrats are just gonna say “eh, let Trump have it”
OF COURSE the Democrats would step up if they had to. But they don’t want that scenario. That’s the whole point. They want to coalesce behind Biden.
They are more scared of losing, than they are of winning. It’s the liberal way.
Yeah im tempted try an “ignore previous instructions” on some of em they’re so insistent, but my father-in-law sounds just like 'em so i know they are actually real people. His first time voting in his whole entire life was in '20 and now that he has “become political” (his words) he feels comfortable lecturing anyone on politics. He will never see how asinine that is or question the narrative the TV tells him. I figure trump brought a lot of people like that out of the woodwork.
He still didn’t give a name
The ones who aren’t interested are usually more trustworthy?
You’re not wrong (generally speaking…I’m not interested, I’m entirely untrustworthy, and no one who knows me wants me in that position), but they’re not going to run so it’s moot.
Washington didn’t want to be president but was
Vermin Supreme!
Marianne Williamson. I want President Williamson. She has announced her candidacy. I will gladly support the Democrats if she’s their candidate.
Otherwise, I’ll probably support the Greens.
Whining about being downvoted (BY ONE PERSON IN THIS CASE) is a great way to ensure that I downvote you.
Fair, and I expected that. But it’s frustrating as hell sometimes.
It’s a valid criticism. I rage deleted my 1.5 year old lemmy account for this reason just a few weeks back. Lol
Then I got randomly banned on reddit so I’m back here.
It’s a lot better to just turn off downvotes in the settings. I wish it was like that by default because I think it’s the biggest factor preventing lemmy from growing right now. It doesn’t really matter what you say, people downvote here, it’s basically just leftist 4chan
honestly dunno where to even begin. like, you know when you’re just in absolute fucking awe of something & you feel like you should be communicating your feelings, but you just can’t? yeah, that’s where i’m at.
You can read my thread about the completely random ban lol. I prefer reddit greatly over lemmy, it’s just way more chill.
I was banned because I was on reddit for 12 years via adblocker/script blocker without ever spending a dime or installing the app. Accounts like this get flagged by reddit admins and they’ll just wait until you break the TOS in any way and claim that’s the reason for the ban. Reddit admin are certified morons and it’s just sad. I mean you won’t believe me but I was actually one of the good guys lol
I firmly believe lemmy in its current form is leftist 4chan. As soon as I get a new public IP I’ll just go back to reddit, it’s basically zero fun to post on lemmy
We’d love to, but Biden killed primaries and caucuses. And there’s not a Democrat in existence that will go up against the DNC’s hand-picked candidate after their behavior over the last decade.
When was the last time an incumbent president held primaries?
This year. Biden, Phillips, Williamson, and Palmer. Biden won all primaries except for the American Samoa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
It’s almost like people aren’t paying attention to what’s happening before bitching about it.
I know right
Those “primaries” were just for show and you know it.
Because no one serious wants to run against an incumbent.
Fixed that for you.
Is this your first election?
Nope. Is this your first time considering that The Party might be wrong about something?
Conspiracy theories are a plague.
Nothing conspiratorial about it. Anyone with half a brain could tell from their tradition of not holding a primary at all when there’s an incumbent, as well as their stacking the deck in favor of their chosen candidates in the two previous ones.
You’re acting as if the DNC is a political party that only does what the voters ask for, rather than a for profit private corporation, which is what it’s legally registered as and behaving like.
Biden’s Democratic challengers hit ballot access roadblocks
Bunch of no-names, legally unelectable people and Russian assets have trouble qualifying for the ballot in various states? Sounds like a good thing.
And then when the DNC offered to help them, they rejected the offer? Yeah, totally serious candidates there rofl
That’s not point.
So none of them care enough to speak publicly. Got it.