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    You can have the best, most elite fighting force on the face of the planet. They still need weapons, they still need ammo, they still need grenades and rockets and artillery shells, their weapons and tanks and APC’s and drones still need servicing and replacements.

    In short, Ukraine needs an entire war-oriented production line and logistics/supply system. They have one now, courtesy of the EU, the US, and Ukraine’s other allies. A significant percentage of that military aid came from the US. The US is interested in helping Ukraine regain it’s full sovereignty including Crimea, and protecting it’s European allies. It has absolutely no interest in or appetite for, any real invasion of Russian soil. The US and the EU have repeatedly told Ukraine that Ukraine cannot use any materiel supplied by the US, the EU, or European nations, in any attack on Russia itself.

    Ukraine cannot ‘win’ an invasion of Russia with the weapons it currently has: they don’t have enough weapons or anywhere near enough ammo to do it. They may have enough for quick strike forces, but they certainly don’t have enough men to actually occupy Russia. Your dream of Ukrainian tanks rolling down Russian highways is just that - a dream.

    As for your assertion that “that is not an Army “being supported by” anyone […] they don’t need help”: here is a list of military retirement that the US has sent so far - it doesn’t even invite what Ukraine has received from other countries or companies. Please explain to me how Ukraine, even with the best army in the world, would win it’s war without the weapons and ammo supplied by it’s allies. And again, this is just a list of the US military aid, not the EU, not Australia or any of the other countries and companies sending supplies. U.S. security assistance to Ukraine between January 20, 2020, and June 27, 2023:

    [Please see my reply to this comment, it’s a long list]

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      10,000 Javelin anti-armor systems

      70,000 other anti-armor systems and

      munitions

      1,700 Stinger anti-aircraft systems

      4,000 TOW missiles

      35,000 grenade launchers and small arms,

      with ammunition

      100,000 sets of body armor and helmets

      Thousands of night-vision devices,

      surveillance systems, thermal imagery

      systems, optics, and laser rangefinders

      C-4 and other explosives

      Explosive-ordnance-disposal equipment

      M18A1 Claymore mines

      Anti-tank mines

      Mine-clearing equipment

      Obstacle-emplacement equipment

      Medical supplies

      Field equipment, cold-weather gear,

      generators, and spare parts

      Chemical, biological, radiological, and

      nuclear protective equipment

      18 armored bridging systems

      160 155mm Howitzers and ammunition

      72 105mm Howitzers and ammunition

      47 120mm mortar systems

      10 82mm mortar systems

      67 81mm mortar systems

      58 60mm mortar systems

      203mm, 152mm, 130mm, 122mm, 120mm,

      and 25mm ammunition

      38 HIMAR systems

      60,000 122mm Grad rockets

      Precision-guided rockets

      Rocket launchers and ammunition

      154 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles

      4 Bradley Fire Support Team vehicles

      31 Abrams tanks

      45 T-72B tanks (via the Czech Republic)

      125 Stryker armored personnel carriers

      300 M113 armored personnel carriers

      250 M1117 armored security vehicles

      200 armored medical-treatment vehicles

      500 MRAP vehicles

      125mm, 120mm, and 105mm tank

      ammunition

      2,000 Humvees

      354 tactical vehicles

      100 light tactical vehicles

      68 trucks

      124 trailers

      10 command post vehicles

      30 ammunition support vehicles

      6 armored utility trucks

      8 logistics support vehicle

      89 heavy fuel tankers and 105 fuel trailers

      1 Patriot air defense battery and munitions

      8 NASAM systems

      20 Avenger air defense systems

      HAWK air defense systems and munitions

      Laser-guided rocket systems

      RIM-7 missiles

      Antiaircraft guns and ammunition

      Equipment to integrate with and sustain

      Ukraine’s systems

      9 anti-drone gun trucks and ammunition

      10 anti-drone laser-guided rocket systems

      High-speed anti-radiation missiles

      (HARMs)

      Precision aerial munitions

      6,000 Zuni aircraft rockets (could function

      as air defense)

      7,000 Hydra-70 aircraft rockets

      20 Mi-17 helicopters

      ScanEagle drones

      Puma drones

      JUMP drones

      CyberLux K8 drones

      Switchblade drones

      Phoenix Ghost drones

      ALTIUS-600 drones (can also be used for

      surveillance)

      Munitions

      2 Harpoon coastal defense systems

      62 coastal and riverine patrol boats

      Unmanned coastal defense vessels

      Port and harbor security equipment

      4 satellite communications antennas

      2 radars for unmanned aerial systems

      21 air surveillance radars

      70 counter-artillery and counter-

      mortar radars

      20 multi-mission radars

      Tactical secure communications systems

      Counter air defense capability

      Counter–unmanned aerial systems

      Electronic jamming equipment

      SATCOM terminals and services

      Commercial satellite imagery services

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      1 year ago

      you’re working really hard… good luck with that…

      In short, Ukraine…

      i love that you actually used the words, “in short”… just to demonstrate what a troll you are…