If a topic keeps coming up no matter how much you try to censor it, consider that it’s not going away. Some changes are long overdue.

  • MilitantVegan@lemmy.worldOP
    1050·
    7 months ago

    If someone is being a bigot, should they not be shamed for it? Why should I feel like I have to tip-toe around animal abusers? You’re the one doing the wrong thing. Would you adopt a vegan lifestyle if I presented my message in the way you approved of?

    • ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works
      221·
      7 months ago

      I’m already a vegetarian, but yeah, I think you can definitely have a shot at converting people if you appeal to their values and don’t attack them personally. I have a buddy who converted after watching a documentary because he’s an enviromentalist and the documentary talked about the environmental harm that comes from the livestock industry.

      • Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        51·
        7 months ago

        Baby steps, maybe just start by giving peope some easy and delicious vegetarian meals. I’m not even vegetarian but around 30 percent of my meals are vegetarian. Granted, I’m Mexican and we have a lot of really good vegetarian meals but still.

    • bcovertigo@lemmy.world
      10·
      7 months ago

      It seems like you want people to examine their long held beliefs and customs, adopt your view that they are harmful and unethical, and change their behavior to match yours. A change that may have specific hurdles unknown to you for every individual.

      Humans, being social animals, don’t typically react with reason to things that they percieve to be antagonistic. They tend to mirror hostility and are most likely to fight or disengage when facing an opponent, and cleave to the safety of the groups that accept them.

      Just or not, the act of starting an interaction sets the tone. You’re completely justified in attacking villains and shaming them, but when you throw a devil costume on someone I don’t think you should be surprised when you get pitchforked.

      • Nevoic@lemm.ee
        32·
        7 months ago

        Sometimes it’s just venting, looking at vegancirclejerk groups/forums. Not every comment from a vegan about veganism is an attempt at activism, sometimes we’re just fed up with carnist bullshit and vent. If a carnist sees it and it makes them think, cool, but that’s not always the goal.

    • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
      81·
      7 months ago

      If someone is being a bigot, should they not be shamed for it

      Absolutely.

      Why should I feel like I have to tip-toe around animal abusers?

      Nice of you to use your own bigotry as an example to illustrate what people should be shamed for.

      Would you adopt a vegan lifestyle if I presented my message in the way you approved of?

      Depends: would I have to adopt the religious fundamentalist level holier than thou bigotry as part of the lifestyle? Because I actually prefer not to be an insufferable ass to those that don’t deserve it.