Hatred often makes you want to hurt people, but people hurt peope in the name of greed more often, and not only with less potential for guilt, but is often the cause of delusional accolades and reassurance both from within oneself and from others.

Hypothetical:

A CEO lays off 10,000 employees that helped that company succeed, solely to increase earnings and not because the company is hurting, not only seriously hurting 9,997 people, but causing 3 to commit suicide.

A bumpkin gets in a fight with someone he hates the melanin of because he’s a moron and kills them.

Who did more damage to humanity that day? They’re both, I want to say evil but evil is subjective, they’re both highly antisocial, knowingly harmful behaviors, yet one correctly sends you to prison for a long time if not forever, while the other, far more premeditated and quite literally calculated act, is literally rewarded and partied about. Jim Kramer gives you a shout out on tv, good fucking times amirite!

Edit: and this felt relevant to post after someone tried to lecture me about equating layoffs to murder.

“Coca-Cola killed trade unionists in Latin America. General Motors built vehicles known to catch fire. Tobacco companies suppressed cancer research. And Boeing knew that its planes were dangerous. Corporations don’t care if they kill people — as long as it’s profitable.”

https://jacobin.com/2020/01/corporations-profit-values-murder-culture-boeing

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    You make a fair point, however when you work for someone, that is your choice. To shop at a business is your choice. If you do not like a business, do not work for it and do not shop there.

    Stealing from someone is stealing from a person who took time to produce that item. In the case of s store, the store had to buy the product from a distributor.

    So theft is still inmoral. Is theft greed? Yeah it could be and in most cases its greed and selfishness. However the thief in most cases can buy the item but chooses not to.

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      So, I get where you’re coming from, and it might make sense for an Aussie, who’s consumer protections are very strict. However, most of what is being discussed exists in a completely different environment.

      That being said, when you work for someone, it is your choice. However, for the sake of understanding the situation, let’s say that companies in the local area all pay very little. Perhaps enough to pay rent, food, and utilities, but not much else. Now, you might be aware that the products you sell are being sold for much more than you make. This isn’t a fair pay, and you know that. According to your other statements, you should go find a job that pays well and treats you with respect, right?

      But that’s based on a premise that that job and company exists. If the current jobs that aren’t paying you fairly are all that exist around you, that idea falls on its head. So what do you do then? Not work? You can’t afford to save with your current income, and you will starve without it (I cannot stress this point). Move? This article should be telling (https://myelisting.com/commercial-real-estate-news/1334/most-and-least-expensive-cities-states-to-rent-compared-to-income/). No place in the US is going to change your situation, as you’re more than likely going to end in a worse spot, if you move without any savings, even with another job lined up. If your next argument is to move out of the country, once again, how would you do so without any savings? Sure, there are people who manage to do it, but immigration in any country is not a quick process, and employment isn’t always guaranteed for unstable citizens like immigrants.

      So, left in this situation, we are left to ponder the initial question; are crimes of greed (I haven’t even gotten to discussing what exactly this might entail) actually worth codifying into law, and having criminal penalties attached to them? I say yes, for many reasons. Crimes of greed are typically what we perceive as immoral or damaging actions due to either unchecked, rampant white collar crime, or the actions of companies that previously would have been unthinkable, but due to eroding regulations and dulling the fangs of the enforcement of surviving regulations, the risk is mitigated enough to justify the profit of these ‘greed crimes’.

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        One can complain about their situation, or one can do something about it. Stsrt your own business, expand your compass. Yeah you might have to try out five or ten jobs until you find one that does not have a moron as a boss and has good pay. Sitting around and whining about it and demanding “laws should be made” is really just a form of communism. Communism did not work.

        I get it, there are lots of employers who are morons and pay very little. And yes, stop working for them at all cost. Do not feed the beast, starve them out of workers. I know of places locally that had poor working conditions and offered little pay that went under because they could not find any staff.

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            If leftists were not gullible people with fundamental misunderstandings of the world, they wouldn’t be leftists.

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                It’s just meme leftism. Actual leftists who are like, activists and shit, at least can acknowledge reality.

                This is more like “The Donald” than like a local Republican office, as an example. Might have the same ideology, but people are considerably less informed and more unhinged.

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              Highly educated adults – particularly those who have attended graduate school – are far more likely than those with less education to take predominantly liberal positions across a range of political values.

              A graph comparing ones education to political opinion. A positive correlation

              - Pew Research Center

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                My old boss has 2 graduated degrees and believes that human vibration frequencies are out of whack and that’s why the world has strife.

                Educated people can buy into total nonsense.

                Also I very highly doubt that most people here have their undergrad, even.