Good, maybe in two or three more years Windows 11 will be useable. Right on time for Windows 12 to roll out and drag Microsoft users back to the Stone Age again.
The pattern reads like superstition in the first place.
It is. However, having lived through Windows Me and then having to support Windows Vista shortly after launch, I drink deeply of that Kool-Aide. Microsoft seems to inflict monumentally bad ideas on their customers with every other version, with minor bad ideas sprinkled in between. Though really, the smart response to a new Windows version will always be, “Wait for Service Pack 2”. That usually give Microsoft enough time to sort out the worst of the bad ideas, while still updating early enough to not be running an unsupported version.
Can you tell me what was wrong with Vista? I was too green when it was released. All I remember about it is that the buttons looked (I don’t know the term for it) jelly-like instead of flat.
It was really slow compared to XP, and while it attempted to improve the security situation (notoriously bad on XP) that came with significantly reduced compatibility. The Windows Glass (if I recall its name correctly) feature that was on by default was horrendously slow.
The biggest issue was really driver support. Vista involved a breaking change to the Windows driver model (which was technically a good thing). But, that meant that a lot of hardware would never function with Vista. In the short term, this meant that you basically had to upgrade hardware to upgrade your OS. And this often included peripherals like printers and scanners. Software compatibility was also not great between XP and Vista.
Beyond that, Vista was a memory hog. People had become used to XP running well on systems with less than 4GB of memory. It was 32-bit after all. Even with the PAE switch enabled, you didn’t exactly get the full 4GB. With Vista, it should have never been put on a system with less than 8GB, and more was better. So, performance was often terrible.
There were also UI changes, and those are never popular at first. Though, that sentiment usually fades with time (except the Win 8 Start Screen, that UI is still terrible). I still remember the “crayola UI” jokes about XP. People used to Windows 2000 thought the XP interface was a bad joke. Now, they often look back fondly on it.
In the light of day, Vista wasn’t really all that bad. But, it represented some major changes to the OS and had a lot of issues at launch. Microsoft could have handled it better by ensuring that driver support and low end system performance was there in day 1. But, they fumbled that and so Vista has forever had the stink of being a bad OS.
That “pattern” (and I know it’s probably meant to be more of a joke) is skewed to make it look like it’s true. If 98 and 98 SE are separate for example, so should Windows 8.1 be, because it was quite a different beast from 8(.0). Actually, 8.1 was very solid, it had a lot of the “under the hood” improvements that Windows 10 had, but wasn’t nearly as bloated.
Windows 10 or 11 are on a similar level of “bloated mess” to me, with Windows 10 having the advantage of an LTSC version existing, which is essentially an official “debloat”. I’ll probably jump to Windows 11 LTSC when it releases sometime in (likely) 2024.
Good, maybe in two or three more years Windows 11 will be useable. Right on time for Windows 12 to roll out and drag Microsoft users back to the Stone Age again.
If the pattern holds Windows 12 might actually be good
I think Microsoft is too reliant on advertising money for this pattern to hold true anymore. The pattern reads like superstition in the first place.
It is. However, having lived through Windows Me and then having to support Windows Vista shortly after launch, I drink deeply of that Kool-Aide. Microsoft seems to inflict monumentally bad ideas on their customers with every other version, with minor bad ideas sprinkled in between. Though really, the smart response to a new Windows version will always be, “Wait for Service Pack 2”. That usually give Microsoft enough time to sort out the worst of the bad ideas, while still updating early enough to not be running an unsupported version.
Can you tell me what was wrong with Vista? I was too green when it was released. All I remember about it is that the buttons looked (I don’t know the term for it) jelly-like instead of flat.
It was really slow compared to XP, and while it attempted to improve the security situation (notoriously bad on XP) that came with significantly reduced compatibility. The Windows Glass (if I recall its name correctly) feature that was on by default was horrendously slow.
The biggest issue was really driver support. Vista involved a breaking change to the Windows driver model (which was technically a good thing). But, that meant that a lot of hardware would never function with Vista. In the short term, this meant that you basically had to upgrade hardware to upgrade your OS. And this often included peripherals like printers and scanners. Software compatibility was also not great between XP and Vista.
Beyond that, Vista was a memory hog. People had become used to XP running well on systems with less than 4GB of memory. It was 32-bit after all. Even with the PAE switch enabled, you didn’t exactly get the full 4GB. With Vista, it should have never been put on a system with less than 8GB, and more was better. So, performance was often terrible.
There were also UI changes, and those are never popular at first. Though, that sentiment usually fades with time (except the Win 8 Start Screen, that UI is still terrible). I still remember the “crayola UI” jokes about XP. People used to Windows 2000 thought the XP interface was a bad joke. Now, they often look back fondly on it.
In the light of day, Vista wasn’t really all that bad. But, it represented some major changes to the OS and had a lot of issues at launch. Microsoft could have handled it better by ensuring that driver support and low end system performance was there in day 1. But, they fumbled that and so Vista has forever had the stink of being a bad OS.
If the pattern holds windows 12 will be windows 14.
Relative to w*ndows 11.
That “pattern” (and I know it’s probably meant to be more of a joke) is skewed to make it look like it’s true. If 98 and 98 SE are separate for example, so should Windows 8.1 be, because it was quite a different beast from 8(.0). Actually, 8.1 was very solid, it had a lot of the “under the hood” improvements that Windows 10 had, but wasn’t nearly as bloated.
Windows 10 or 11 are on a similar level of “bloated mess” to me, with Windows 10 having the advantage of an LTSC version existing, which is essentially an official “debloat”. I’ll probably jump to Windows 11 LTSC when it releases sometime in (likely) 2024.