• soggy_kitty@sopuli.xyz
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      7 months ago

      To be completely fair that’s not pure luck. Those people took risks, why don’t you invest in new startups? Because it’s risky.

      But yes out of the people brave enough to invest, it’s mostly luck they picked the right startup

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        7 months ago

        They took a risk and millions took risks in millions of other stocks and failed. So yea it’s luck.

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          7 months ago

          Billions didn’t take any risks by not investing in startups. That’s a zero chance, everyone else is a non zero chance.

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            Billions weren’t lucky enough to be born in a class where they COULD afford to save / set aside enough money to invest in startups. The people who struck gold by happening to invest money into startups had to have had capital to begin with (or had to be in a family with capital), and compared to the billions on this planet, those people are in the 10%~1%.

            They had no option to “take the risk” in the first place, they had to worry about basic necessities. Meanwhile the people who “get rich” off of start-up investments had a significant amount of wealth to spare after necessities. It’s pretty hard for people who aren’t relatively well-off to even have access to the means to invest, for example most brokerages require you to make a minimum deposit of multiple thousands of dollars to use them, and it’s not even close to the amount that you actually need to realistically make meaningful money unless you’re unbelievably lucky and get the next Tesla or something.

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        7 months ago

        I like that downvoted comments are no longer hidden but Pareto would like to tell you the ratio is 80:20.

        4 in 5 people pick the wrong start-up and lose everything.

        The remainder are busy rationalizing their luck as skill.

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          7 months ago

          I know, my point still stands.

          It’s not lucky that they decided to gamble.

          They bought the lottery ticket and won, not everyone buys tickets.

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            Even aside from the obvious point that the outcome of this gamble is luck, there’s another more subtle point that I think is more important: For people will significant wealth and resources, it is very cheap to take gambles like this. For some people, dropping $10k into some high-risk gamble is just a bit of fun, but for other people that’s their entire savings; and for other other people - they’d never be able to avoid to do that even if they were starving themselves to save money.

            How do people get into that kind of position of privilege and power in the first place? … the luck of where they were born.

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              You’re right, one thing I didn’t consider is the vast majority of people investing are probably already significantly wealthy. Birth lottery is by far the largest contributor to chance of future wealth.

              Makes you realise how many moving parts there are to this conversation. It’s undeniable that those ones who were born lucky were not all gamblers though. I was born into a western family which isn’t in poverty and I’ve never invested in a nothing company.

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        You’re right. They also had to have had the resources to blow on a pipe dream that blew up by chance.

        So it’s luck, privilege, and thrn more luck on top of if.

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        7 months ago

        Or they could be employed at those places and get stock as a benefit. My current job is that way. It is still risky to keep a lot of eggs in one basket, but it can pay off if your employer is a newer publicly traded company.