• MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world
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        Because just about every piece “Both Parties Are The Same” rhetoric at play, right now at this point in history, aid and abet Trump’s (read Vladimir Putin) plan to destroy democracy.

        I wish I was being hyperbolic, but I’m not.

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          Because just about every piece “Both Parties Are The Same” rhetoric at play, right now at this point in history, aid and abet Trump’s (read Vladimir Putin) plan to destroy democracy.

          and

          democrat (/republic) party is controlled by banks (/big business)

          both can be true. That’s why this rhethoric so effective


          also:

          OP asks why

          downvoted to 2/17

          this is reddit all over again. I am starting to wonder why I ever left

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            Maybe you missed the part about the collapse of democracy, which would be the crystal fucking clear consequence of Trump becoming president again. Russian-style “democracy” with a heavy handed white christian nationalist bent.

            this is reddit all over again. I am starting to wonder why I ever left

            Maybe go back there.

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            OP asks why

            downvoted to 2/17
            

            I’m just finding out lemmy is crazy for this. Earlier today a guy got brigaded and later post removed because he suggested that people use the mods to sanitise the forum of any dissenting opinion.

            I myself made a comment suggesting that “both-siderism” is really a matter of perspective and people should question their leaders rather than continue to choose the lesser of two evils, remaining in a constant state of fear. I asked why people felt that way to a similar result.

            Now you have very reasonably tried your hand at reasonable compromise to a similar result.

            How is any of this espousing the virtues of democracy?

            Lemmy isn’t reddit all over again, it’s worse.

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            8 months ago

            GP’s point is not, that it is a lie, but that this argument is used by anti-democrats.

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                Scanning your posts, I see tons of direct shots at Biden, and just about no posts about Trump, with the exception of signs of rising support for Trump among such and such group, how global markets are planning for Trump, and so on.

                Absolutely nothing warmer than a backhanded complement for Biden, a net narrative of Trump gaining ground amongst various demos that don’t vote Republican.

                I’m not a Democrat

                I believe this.

                and I’m not a Republican.

                You might be, or you might be a troll in a factory. The rhetoric overlaps; so whether you’re a republican or not is irrelevant.

                I’m far left

                Of course you are.

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                  return2ozma is almost certainly a Russian agent or bot, or someone that deeply sympathizes with far right/fascist beliefs. He is only pretending to be “far left,” and shows zero interest in actually promoting any kind of left-wing policies. In short, he’s an outrageous troll, and people need to ignore or block him. Also, he needs to be report everywhere for being a troll.

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                    It’s just funny to me that you still think I’m a Russian bot/troll or whatever just because I post articles from NBC News, CNN, MSNBC, etc that are critical of Biden. These are mainstream pro-Dem sources. Blame them for writing the articles if you’re mad.

                    I can assure you I’m not Russian, I live in LA, I’m gay, and I’m far left. But it’s easier to just believe “everything I don’t like is a Russian troll”.

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                  I’m far left

                  shits on any leftward progression while “ironically” cheering on donnie dump

                  Theres too many of these. So happy to see em getting called out on it.

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                  I often see people on lemmy deride others for not posting things that would be directed at trump supporters here, on lemmy, which has a total of 0 vocal trump supporters. Tbf, how do you know this OP isn’t posting that content where it would actually be seen by those who’s jimmies would be rustled by it?

                  It’s entirely possible that this anonymous individual is also on trumpsocial or whatever the fuck it is as another anonymous individual trolling them there where they are, and is posting content that would be subversive here, here. Frankly it’d make more sense, anti trump stuff here is just a circle jerk, we all hate him dude.

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                    You’re probably right.

                    Thankfully, there’s nothing of existential importance happening this election cycle.

                    Let’s just let the messaging flow, and see where it takes us.

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                  Here we go again… “you’re a Russian bot/Trumper/Republican because you’re critical of Biden!”

                  K.

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                    Here we go again… “you’re a Russian bot/Trumper/Republican because you’re critical of Biden!”

                    K.

                    Gets called out very specifically for shitting on Biden, not shitting on Trump, while simultaneously claiming to be a leftist.

                    Responds by doing anything but saying a bad word about Trump. Maintains laser focus on criticism of Biden.

                    Like a leftist.

                    K.

                    I’d fire your troll farm. This is seriously low grade.

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            Maybe you missed the part about the collapse of democracy, which would be the crystal fucking clear consequence of Trump becoming president again. Russian-style “democracy” with a heavy handed white christian nationalist bent.

            Where’s the lie?

            In the intellectual dishonesty to ignore the existential threat to democracy, as outlined above. It’s almost as though you’re payed to signal that way.

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        One wants women to bleed out when they have a corpse in their body, the other doesn’t. Simple stuff.