I‘m a little shocked rn. I am using fluffychat on ios since my legacy iphone is still working and I dont want to throw it out until its done.
But this happened the first time: I wrote „then I might need to take a taxi“ to someone and an installed taxi app immediately popped up via notifications saying „get off 25% today“ or something.
This freaks me out big time since it could mean every word I write on this phone gets checked by something/someone.
Anyone else? (It was literally the second I wrote the sentence)
Apple does not sell your data to a taxi app. Apple does not transmit your keystrokes.
FluffyChat, according to their privacy page, uses FireBase for Push notifications. If the message content is transmitted through them, and the taxi app uses firebase too, they could—theoretically—associate your data with both accounts and push you ads for another service on behalf of the taxi app.
It’s probably just a coincidence… and I’d be alarmed too, but I’d start blaming other companies before Apple, as they tend to horde your data for their own use, not sell it. Apple hates sharing.
Possible but statistically unlikely. No push notifications of this kind for days before despite heavy use of the phone, then the second I write this one sentence it shows.
The push provider would be one possible or siri which also suggests apps based on usage data and tried to complete my sentences in mastodon, which also irritates me.
Are you sure you didn’t have a boomer moment and accidentally spotlight search the taxi app?
That would be my first but not impossible I guess. I rechecked. Nope, I wrote a message and this popped up. None of these for days before and now hours after despite heavy use of the phone.
Had similar experiences. Check my post history. I got shit on by the apple community tho.
I‘m not seeing any posts that suggest you were in a similar situation. Feel free to send a link to the post.
Yes, of course haha. Apple is as much of a data company as Google or Facebook, but they pretend to be privacy centric. Their “privacy” reputation comes from preventing apps from tracking your and limiting their data collection.
This isn’t for the good of the consumer, it simply gives apple a monopoly on data of their customers, that they can sell for a pretty penny.
If you want a truly privacy focused iPhone you likely have to jailbreak it. Either that or get an android phone and install graphene OS or other privacy centric off shoots of android OS.
Remember, if a company owns the operating system, you’re being tracked. Happens just as much on windows and Mac. They’ll even track what you say, and give you recommendations based on that.
As funny as this is to you, many are working on getting these corpos to back down. I already handed in a privacy complaint this month against apple which is currently being pursued by the State Office for Data Protection Supervision (a machine translated this).
If this is actually something we can prove somehow, we‘re probably putting a new record for class action lawsuits in the guinness book.
Provide proof or STFU
Isn’t it a bit like how I ate a sandwich today? I know I ate a sandwich but there’s no proof of it. I am still allowed to talk about eating a sandwich even though there’s no proof. Did I mention how I ate a sandwich today?
Also this is a bad example because I’m actually lying about the sandwich. I never ate a sandwich. But you get the point.
you didn’t eat any sandwiches, liar. 🙃
Yeah what’s the surprise there? Apple devices are known for their privacy practices…NOT!
Oh?
The issue is that it is illegal and enforceable in the EU if I can prove it. So no, there is currently no proof that this has actually been done by apple and if it was, we‘d have a field day.
Huh? Is this some random hate or is there proof? What mega corporation would be better?
Always has been.
Try asking someone for money 😱
Are you saying this happened to your or someone you know?
No. If someone is telling you that Apple is doing that, they are lying to you. Demand proof, because no one can provide that. Because Apple is not doing that, and if they’re telling you they are, they are lying.
From an article about a recent lawsuit
The App Store appeared to harvest information about every single thing you did in real time, including what you tapped on, which apps you search for, what ads you saw, and how long you looked at a given app and how you found it. The app sent details about you and your device as well, including ID numbers, what kind of phone you’re using, your screen resolution, your keyboard languages, how you’re connected to the internet—notably, the kind of information commonly used for device fingerprinting.
Notably, knowing keyboard language and monitoring tap locations allows for reconstruction of text the user types (as detailed in this article
I do think you are correct that Apple probably isn’t actively keylogging every iOS device (just because there’s easier ways with less legal concerns that ultimately get the same outcomes), but it’s not like there’s “no evidence”.
While I get the initial claim that proof is necessary, your argument is self-evident as well.
Nobody can provide proof does not mean its not true, just that its not proven. Its very suspicious that I got this notification the exact second I wrote the text and no other notifications for days before and after.
It is statistically very likely that someone or something triggered this in that moment. Either on the phone through siri for example who is supposed to select apps by usage, in the chat app (unlikely because open source) or in the notification provider, as mentioned by another commenter.
Prove it
If you demand proof to state they do, you should provide proof when stating they don’t. It’s not like Apple is the most trustworthy company in the world. With big tech it’s always reasonable (definitely not certain) to assume they could be spying on your activity, and unless you are able to download your software source code, check it and compile it yourself, it’s almost impossible to tell.
That’s a burden of proof fallacy. 😕
It’s no one’s job to prove the opposite. The burden is on the initial claim.
