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  • Pxtl@lemmy.ca
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    9 months ago

    I keep saying: none of this will end until we get a clean, cryptographically secure, government-backed way to ID who is sending us something, and it becomes an expectation to use it all the time for anything important. Which is why I have conspiracy theories about the conspiracy theories about government ID.

    • SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      How about we find whoever did this and throw them in jail for fraud? You know, deterring crime like the law is supposed to do?

      • doylio@lemmy.ca
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        9 months ago

        PGP isn’t tied to a specific person though.

        I’m starting to come around to the idea of gov’t backed crypto ID, but I am very worried about the potential abuse of that system

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            8 months ago

            Yes, but it’s not Sybil resistant. Anyone can make as many PGP Keys as they want.

            What is really needed is the ability to sign messages proving:

            • that I am a specific person (“I am John Smith”)
            • that I am a unique person without revealing my ID (“I only have one account here”)
            • attributes about me without revealing my ID (“I am 18+”, “I am a French Citizen”, etc)

            This is all possible with ZK cryptography today if you have a trusted data source for the key storage. Governments might be able to set something like this up, but that comes with a lot of privacy concerns. There are other projects like WorldCoin, Idena, and Proof of Humanity that attempt to do this in a decentralized way, but they’ve all had issues with adoption

    • Randelung@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      Yeah, we have all the tech already. PKI exists. Just issue a white house certificate and use that to sign official stuff - documents, press releases, videos. They CAN control their narrative if they wanted to. It just takes someone near the top who understands technology.

      Wouldn’t have stopped the fake phone call, though…

    • RGB3x3@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      There’s already a system for it. But to roll that out to everyone would be an administrative nightmare. And tbf, the system of digital certificates is not exactly “clean.” There are always issues.

      I agree that it would be great to have that, but it just doesn’t seem feasible. Perhaps a different system needs to be created.

    • Virulent@reddthat.com
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      9 months ago

      The people who fall for shit like this don’t know what any of that means or would understand it if you tried to explain it to them

    • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
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      8 months ago

      Sure, that works… If you either change the entire american telecommunication system, and cut it off from the rest of the world… or change the entire worlds telecommunication system.

      But you’re not going to get any of those, Which means your cryptographic phone system will have to be backwards compatible, which means skeevy fucks can continue to do this shit.

    • daltotron@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      cryptographically secure

      Isn’t this the only part of this that’s really important? If you can see me in real life, if I can give you a cryptographically secure way to check whatever I’m sending you in the future, badda bing, mission success. It’s only a problem if my code becomes compromised on my end, leaked or something. It requires faith that your friends won’t get compromised, but that’s pretty much going to be true of any system you might devise there. That’s not the job of cryptography, or some document the government has, that’s just the job of your own personal security practices to make sure you’re not giving around codes and passwords willy nilly. I don’t understand why this really needs to be tied to the government or to specific people at all.

    • supercriticalcheese@lemmy.world
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      8 months ago

      Well then you will have conspiracy theorists to tell you that government backed IDs are fake cause reptilians are controlling them…

      Newspapers l, specially tabloids feeds on sensational crap like this

    • kibiz0r@midwest.social
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      8 months ago

      You don’t even need to ID who is sending it, just that the content itself can provide some grounding in an authentic source.

      Like if a picture can say that it derives from an original photo captured by a camera signed with Canon’s credentials, and was changed in Photoshop in these specific ways and signed by Adobe…

      There is a group working on exactly this. It’s called C2PA.